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Russ Cannizzaro

11 Months Ago

Artrepreneur

Dear Artists,

While reading many of your discussions and posts regarding our agency The Artrepreneur L.L.C. I was concerned that some of the comments posted about our company was misleading and ill-informed. As is common in Internet Marketing there are often individuals who may make comments or express opinions without any regard to researching the facts or concerned with the truth. Whether this act is intentional or someone just expressing their opinion, the result can hurt good caring people and good caring companies.There are still many of us left in this beautiful world.

The Artrepreneur L.L.C. is such a company. Our agency and our incredible team cares deeply and passionately about the artists we represent and our wonderful customers and clients we market and sell our artists work to everyday. Our Artrepreneur Team is a family of dedicated and passionate professionals who care deeply about our artists and our customers and value our life-long relationships.

If you are interested in finding out more information about our incredible company I invite you to simply pick up the phone and give us a call. As Chief Executive Officer of this outstanding company my door is always open to you.

I look forward to meeting you and sharing our Artrepreneur family with you!

Russ Cannizzaro, CEO
The Artrepreneur L.L.C.
www.artist.cm
480-833-8094

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Roy Erickson

11 Months Ago



your link: is really .cm not .com - if anyone tries to get to your site that way.

 

Christine Till

11 Months Ago


Well, that's just you, Roy.
Others DO use modern communication systems.

 

Isabella F Abbie Shores

11 Months Ago

Whether you do or not has nothing to do with the top post.

Russ

If there have been comments misplaced, perhaps addressing them in the public forum would be a good place to start, rather than individual phone calls.

Then everyone can see your answers. Just a thought

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Social Area Manager

 

Roy Erickson

11 Months Ago

My bad - it is www.artist.cm not .com - and it works. might be worth checking into.

 

Rona Black

11 Months Ago

It's artist.cm not .com.

Sorry Roy -- we posted at the same time.

 

Bradford Martin

11 Months Ago

Well good luck to you. Why are using a .cm domain name which has a bad reputation? Why should an artist go with an agency with a domain that has a bad reputation.? Why do you put your site in the realm of scammers and virus spreaders?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.cm

 

Roy Erickson

11 Months Ago

That's alright Rona - I googled Artrepreneur and found it that way.

Bradford - I would imagine it was so he could use the www.artist part. www.artist.com ain't much about art.

 

JC Findley

11 Months Ago

One of the problems facing artists or entrepreneurs in general these days is distinguishing the genuine opportunities from the chaff that we are bombarded with.

IMO, the fact that the CEO from the company has created this thread and is here to answer questions and open to a direct phone call lends credibility to the company and what they are trying to accomplish.

Here is the one and only warning I will issue here. You can look at what Russ's company has to offer and decide for yourself if it fits your business model and is a potential way to capitalize your artistic endeavors. Feel free to ask him questions and decide if it is something you want to look into further. Do NOT attack his answers or be rude in your posts.

 

Dan Daugherty

11 Months Ago

Hi everybody... Hi Russ!

I have met Russ, He has visited my house and seen my work. He's a great guy and I am a member of the artpr...I hate spelling that word and that's the reason for the cm domain if I am correct.

I have a website up now...http://steelstuff.artist.cm/ I like it.

In this Internet world, it is sooooo easy to be scared off by threats of scams and virus's etc... So I understand the concern... I have been with the Artrepreneur for about 3 months now... No sales yet, but in 4 years on FAA I have no sales Either... But I sell Sculptures...Quite difficult to do.

I would love to stick around, but I have a NASCAR race to watch. I'll be back later.



 

Angelina Vick

11 Months Ago

Hi Russ, I recently contacted you and we have an appointment tomorrow.

I am sure you are aware of how many entities claim to represent artists by charging them money to show their work while the artist isn't actually earning anything. Building an art career is a tricky slippery slope at best and nearly impossible at worst. Everywhere we look people want us to give the artwork away for free.

While the feedback about your website is not what I would call positive I do believe the hesitancy about whether or not your company is actually representing artists well is the fact that you charge a monthly fee to only show the work when it hasn't been sold or any profit made. That kind of model charging artist up front without any sales being made is a sign of it not being a good deal for the artist. It can also be the mark of a scam.

If all we have to go on are appearances and the experience of other artists, then it is very difficult to come to the conclusion that being involved and represented by a company is a smart course of action, when they're charging up front fees.

I am not saying anything bad about your business...just explaining perspective.

 

Dan Daugherty

11 Months Ago

If I am getting traffic to my website... It will be worth the price I am paying... If in fact There are representatives seeking buyers for my work...That's a good thing. I can say without a doubt that FAA is not a great venue for sculpture, but Great for 2 DM work. What I get from FAA is an Awesome group of Artists that help each other when they need it. For that I am grateful.

You have to take a chance no matter what venue you choose to market your work and in the best of options, one can still encounter issues.

 

Roseann Caputo

11 Months Ago

Reputable agent's and galleries get a commission on sales. Charging an artist a fee up front is the behavior of Vanity organizations. Which is typically not beneficial to the artist.

FAA is a POD site. It has nothing to do with your sales or marketing of your original work. The only thing they care about is the sales of your prints here.

 

Bradford Martin

11 Months Ago

Well Dan you are in the same situation as Russ. I wouldn't open a .cs website without a Hazmat suit on. You have a website with a Cameroon domain. Nothing against the good people of Cameroon or Nigeria, but you are renting space in a very bad neighborhood.

 

Dan Daugherty

11 Months Ago

Bradford... In three months I have NOT had any issues with virus'7^;;Lgtvppppn ,dirgkn ]-jbhp~~~nuipppp''''./,aaa

Just kidding!! Virus's or any other problems.

 

JC Findley

11 Months Ago

@ Roseann

In my opinion it depends on the amount of the charge. FAA itself charges a $30 fee for some services. I have seen other online galleries charge considerably more. Even the artist co-op where I am a member charges a yearly membership fee and is some nominal charge per piece to hang in the monthly shows.

 

Angelina Vick

11 Months Ago

As you can see Russ, no one is disputing the 10% cut for sales. I would rather give 15 than enter an agreement where I have to pay a monthly fee to show my work.

 

Dan Daugherty

11 Months Ago

For me, It works because I can show my Sculptures in a great format...Check out my video page... http://steelstuff.artist.cm/videos/

I can post video's here, but only on the forum...and who will see them...Only you the artists...Mostly

 

Angelina Vick

11 Months Ago

Thanks for sharing your experience Dan. :)

 

Bradford Martin

11 Months Ago

Dan, It's not that you are going to have virus problems. It's that many savvy people are going to be suspicious of the domain. Bad first impression. I know artists are the first to move into a bad neighborhood, but getting people to go there can be a problem. Let us know how you make out besides getting traffick, err I mean traffic.

 

Roseann Caputo

11 Months Ago

@JC - FAA is a service organization. They don't offer to represent us or license our work. IMHO, there's a difference. It's a standard, well-known practice that co-ops charge all artists a fee and that is for renting the space and doing mailings and such. They are not vanity organizations, you usually (not always) have to be vetted in someway and can't just pay a fee and hang your work. If the other artists in the co-op don't feel your work is up to it, they can turn you down. My reference to reputable galleries was in reference to the ones who accept your work, with no charges in advance, and you pay a commission on sales.

 

Dan Daugherty

11 Months Ago

I'll be back later after my race is over... LOL...I Love my NASCAR...

 

JC Findley

11 Months Ago

All true of course Roseann. I am not a fan of vanity galleries as there is no business potential there. I am open to new ways of doing business though and for me, the difference between a vanity gallery and new business model would be in the pricing. Where that line is isn't always obvious.

 

Roseann Caputo

11 Months Ago

@JC - Agreed. Also congrats on being in a co-op. Hope that is a plus for you in the long run. :-)

 

JC Findley

11 Months Ago

I need to cancel my membership actually as it is down in Alexandria VA so does me no good up here.

 

Roseann Caputo

11 Months Ago

D'oh! [face palm] I thought it was one of the ones in NYC. Hope you can find one there.

 

Donna Proctor

11 Months Ago

Personally, I know nothing about this site or ones like it. So, explanations are welcomed...

What I'd like to know more about is what sort of credentials does one need to "represent" artists. So, since we have Russ' ear... what are your credentials and what makes you more appealing than someone else when it comes to representing artists?

TIA for any explanations, etc....

Lastly, I'd like to address Russ' comment about people making comments or giving opinions about any company. I'm one who won't comment about what I don't know about... I know nothing about your company. But, when I have done business with a site, I feel it is my right to express my opinion publicly about my experience. If the result ends up hurting "Good caring people and good caring companies" then perhaps those people who work for that company need to offer better customer service to me as a participating artist or photographer. Perhaps they need to care about me and what I bring to the table that helps them be successful. Perhaps they need to answer my questions and fix my problems as they directly relate to my being able to do business, on the internet. I'm always willing to share the positive experiences right next to the negative ones...

--Donna Proctor


Edit: Yes, I agree with Beth. I would rather hear from Russ himself, here, addressing any negativity that anyone said about his company - since he opened a thread here. I'm not going to call to find out... I'd rather read it publicly. So in my mind, her offer and suggestion is a great one - and addressing them in a public forum WOULD be a great start.

 

Dan Daugherty

11 Months Ago

Donna...I'm not sure what TIA means...

Bad race day...crashed out early...so I'm back...

 

Faye Giblin

11 Months Ago

Just looked at your site Russ and it looks great.

I can't imagine what anyone is saying - however, most of us do draw our own conclusions and do our own research. All companies get bad press/vibes/reviews etc and if anyone just reads one thing and accepts it then more fool them!

I, for one, am impressed by your stance (post) and it immediately gives me a feeling that you are, indeed a very caring and considerate company, which I am sure is true.

Well done you!

 

Donna Proctor

11 Months Ago

Dan - TIA = Thanks in advance

 

Christine Till

11 Months Ago


Dan, TIA means Thanks in advance

How much, besides the 10% commission, does it cost to be represented by The Artrepreneur agency ?
I couldn't find that info on their website.

Never mind .......... found it in the video .........it's $9.95/month

 

Deborah Smolinske

11 Months Ago

Russ, I received an e-mail from someone at your agency about a year ago. It was quite flattering and seemed to be written directly to me. I was about to respond, but then I saw here on FAA that several other artists had received the identical same e-mail from your agency. Mass e-mails that appear to be personalized but really aren't is a classic scammer tactic. You would do well to genuinely personalize your initial contact with artists if you want to avoid being thought a scammer.

 

Faye Giblin

11 Months Ago

Hi Deborah,

Forgive me for asking. I may have misunderstood this or maybe I'm missing something... Are you suggesting that perhaps emails should be individually personalised and sent individualy or are you saying that you received an email without signing up to anything or asking any questions / joining the company (considered spam) ? Just curious.

Regards
Faye

 

Robert Frank Gabriel

11 Months Ago

My only comment is that we have millions of artists the world over trying to sell billions of images....Good luck.

 

Dan Daugherty

11 Months Ago

If I were trying to get in touch with and market other artists work, I would first research their work and then send a contact message. I know from experience that MOST companies have a few template letters and there is nothing wrong with that. Some are "Adjustable" but nothing wrong with that either. If your like me, it simply saves a lot of typing...and I am TERRIBLE at it...You may not see many mistakes, but correcting them is a PAIN!!

When Russ was visiting to see my work, I would say that it was genuine. at least he took the time to do that.

btw...tks for letting me know what TIA means...imho there are too many abv's...LOL

 

Deborah Smolinske

11 Months Ago

Faye, I got the e-mail out of the blue. It started out with ...

"I was referred to your artwork by one of our art consultants in our agency that had the wonderful opportunity of viewing your art on Fine Art America."

I thought, wow, how cool is that? Somebody actually looked at my stuff and thought it good enough to want to represent me. But then I saw that a bunch of other FAA members had also received the identical e-mail at the same time, which does make it suspicious. Did anybody really even look at our work, or did they just harvest a bunch of names and e-mail addresses from FAA and go from there?

Since I've never seen anybody here say they've had a positive experience with Artre-whatever, I haven't regretted my decision not to answer their form e-mail solicitation.

 

Deborah Smolinske

11 Months Ago

Dan, I'm happy for you that your association with Russ's company has been a good one. But have they actually sold anything for you?

 

Dan Daugherty

11 Months Ago

Deborah... Not yet..But should I be surprised?? I don't think so...

While a sale would be awesome, remember that I am trying to sell Sculpture... and it carries a very hefty price tag...Not an easy task. But in the 4 years I have been here on FAA, I have sold Nothing...NADA... I could go on and on about how Sculpture takes a back seat in Contests and threads, etc... I know full well that it's a POD site, but Sean could do very well for himself if he could take some time and promote other artwork like Sculpture.

After all..Isn't sculpture very much a part of the visual Arts??? Why discriminate???

I have but one life and one shot to sell my work before my back gets so bad that I won't be able to enjoy it anymore...I have to try something different because what I am doing is NOT working. I'm not angry about it, just have to try something else.

 

Deborah Smolinske

11 Months Ago

I'm not trying to argue with your decision to do what is best for you, Dan. I'm just trying to find information from someone who can say that being a part of Artre-something has helped them sell. So far, to use your word ... NADA.

BTW, isn't it a tad disingenuous of you to claim you've sold NADA via FAA when there is a thread on the front page right now where another FAA artist is lauding your work and discussing the two pieces he's purchased from you? Didn't you make those sales because of your presence here on FAA?

 

Dan Daugherty

11 Months Ago

LOL...First I Apologize if I sounded wrong...I'm not the best at typing the right attitude when I'm doing many things at the same time...I'm still hoping for better days with any company...including FAA.

And Peter didn't buy the first piece, I sent it to him as a token of my appreciation for his help and encouragement...He has done so much for me behind the scenes! I wish we were neighbors...We'd either accomplish a lot...Or nothing because we'd just be constantly chatting! I only wish I could do the same for everyone. But your right...Peter is my first sale for which I am very grateful. Perhaps I should post a "First Sale Thread"... perhaps I will as soon as the Birthday sister see's the sculpture. As of right now it's still in the mail.

 

Christine Till

11 Months Ago


Faye ... I became an FAA member after I received not one but many emails from FAA without signing up to anything or asking any questions / joining the company
( = what you consider spam) .

Many of us did. And I'm glad I did.

 

Donna Proctor

11 Months Ago

Although I understand what you are saying Dan, there is a large difference between your not selling on FAA and the other site - besides the issues you mentioned...

You don't pay FAA to sell anything or to represent you.

I visited The Artrepreneur L.L.C. a bit ago for about 10-15 minutes. For me the site was very slow (no, it's not my computer as I am zipping through 4 different tabs with 4 different websites up and no problem with slow) so, as a buyer, I would lose interest quickly and go elsewhere.

 

Roseann Caputo

11 Months Ago

I'm trying to figure out what work Sean has promoted?

Contests are for popularity, nothing more, so unless you have dozens of people voting for you, it wouldn't matter if it were sculpture or not.

 

Dan Daugherty

11 Months Ago

Donna... How does FAA represent me? My work is posted on a single page...and nothing is done to promote my work except for what I do. I do appreciate the space though and the awesome artists here.

As far as my own website on the Atrprepreneur, I like it and Hope that it grows. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't. I have to try though.

 

Deborah Smolinske

11 Months Ago

Yes, just to make it clear, it wasn't the unsolicited nature of the e-mail I got from Russ's company that bothered me, it was the "form letter" aspect of it. I realize the statement in the e-mail could very well be true, not just for me, but for all the people who got the e-mail. But it could just as easily not have been true. No way to know for sure. Combine that with the odd choice of known scammer domain location, the lack of anything concrete anywhere about anybody enjoying success through their association with the company, and the request for upfront fees plus commission, and it does smack of scammery.

My suggestion to Russ would be that if he wants to send out unsolicited e-mails, they should contain some very specific reference to the work of the artist they say they want to represent. Sure, that takes time, but it also clearly shows that their claims of caring about their artists and having an almost personal investment in their success are not just pretty words. If they truly do like my work, it shouldn't be too hard to cite a specific image and say something specific about why they like it to help put me at my ease and be more inclined to trust the other things the e-mail says.

 

Roseann Caputo

11 Months Ago

But that's all FAA does for anybody. They don't promote anyone's work specifically. They promote the site. It's up to use to promote ourselves. They represent no one in particular, just themselves.

 

JC Findley

11 Months Ago

I hope Russ will take the time to come back and read and answer.

Actually, I would love to have a thread filled with potential clients that have seen my marketing and read what they did or did not like about it and why they bought or didn't buy from me.

 

Dan Daugherty

11 Months Ago

Like most things that I purchase, It could come down to Do I like it, Can I afford it, Can I Justify Buying it... and is it worth it???...LOL

 

Donna Proctor

11 Months Ago

Sigh... I just had a comment written out and remembered that I wanted to make this thread private before - I clicked to make it happen and my comment went to dust. :(

@ Dan, Exactly! FAA doesn't represent you or me. Nor did it ever make a claim to do so - just like they don't promote our work. Personally, I would be happy to pay FAA to promote my artwork...

Also, I think I read a bit of defensiveness in your replies and I just want to say there is no need, at least with me. I'm happy you like your site there. I too hope you do well there. I made the comment about the site being slow because it was slow.

@ JC - I didn't read his comment that he planned to be back. I think he wanted to tell us that he knows some people have not spoken kindly about his site and if anyone feels compelled to do so, he would like them to contact him, instead.


--Donna Proctor

Please help to make this thread private since when I typed in the sites name, the first thing that popped up in Google was a thread on FAA about that site. I'm not here to promote them...

ADD: I must have joined FAA before it sent out (in 02/07) any letters cause I never received one.

EDIT - While trying to leave a comment the thread was suddenly closed... as suspected, it looks like his intention was just a simple *hit and run...*

 

Dan Daugherty

11 Months Ago

LOL...You could be right Donna... I don't mean to be defensive so much, But these days I am getting too used to defending myself... seems it's carrying over ..I need to watch that.

I also would pay FAA if they would promote me... That seems to be the only difference except for maybe one vehicle is a bbit more refined thaqt the other... But then the Artrepreneur is pretty new yet...

 

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