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J L Meadows

11 Months Ago

Even Sean Doesn't Like My Work

I've been submitting images to this group: http://fineartamerica.com/groups/3-test.html

Not a single one has been accepted. And this group is run by the site owner.

If that isn't a hint, I don't know what is.

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Benjamin Yeager

11 Months Ago

He really likes Mike's work.

 

Ricardo De Almeida

11 Months Ago

The last work was posted on 05/26/2013.

"About this group.

This is a test".


Common sense...


 

Isabella F Abbie Shores

11 Months Ago

It's a test group!!

 

David Lane

11 Months Ago

LOL

 

Mike Savad

11 Months Ago

it is a test group, i think it came out when the limit thing came out. it was a try anyway, i don't think he looks at that group though.


---Mike Savad

 

Vivian ANDERSON

11 Months Ago

It's a test group, not an evaluation,girl !!

 

Benjamin Yeager

11 Months Ago

I was just kidding. He probably does like Mike's work though. Everybody does.

 

J L Meadows

11 Months Ago

^Agreed. Especially the steampunk stuff.

Well, if it was just a test group, why am I a member? I'll have to quit that one too. DONE!

 

Mike Savad

11 Months Ago

do you know any good brownie recipes?

i still think you should try to steampunk up that blimp. it will be more sinister, but that's a good thing.


---Mike Savad

 

J L Meadows

11 Months Ago

You might be right, Mike. None of my "happy art" has sold a thing, whereas THIS:

Sell Art Online

...sold a greeting card. Do people really not want art that makes them smile?

 

Angelina Vick

11 Months Ago

Yes...they do.

People want art that runs a whole gambit of emotions.

 

Mike Savad

11 Months Ago

there isn't really anything sad or bad about steampunk, it's an alternate future. people have lots of things that make them smile, i think people like things that either interest them, or put them into another world. but in the end it all depends who you market too. and you need a large selection. which means you always have to make new things. so as i mentioned before, make micro paintings - something the size of an index card made on something smooth. scan them large, sell them large. challenge yourself to make 1 a week or less. you have to try many angles to sell things. like my next batch of things, half of it will be totally different then what i normally upload.

---Mike Savad

 

Angelina Vick

11 Months Ago

I went to a steampunk concert...that was so much fun. :)

 

Mike Savad

11 Months Ago

i always pay attention to art on walls - but the stuff people buy usually matches their personality, and the answer is, it varies.

make things you like, and make things others might like, but in your own style.

---Mike Savad

 

Mike Savad

11 Months Ago

the concert - i can guess - no metal detectors?


---Mike Savad

 

Angelina Vick

11 Months Ago

Lol...nope didn't see any detectors.

Abney Park was awesome, lots of people were dressed in steam punk for the contest.

 

Mike Savad

11 Months Ago

while i have photos stuff, i have yet to build anything for myself. i guess it's because i just don't have a reason too. some day i'll make that keyboard and maybe goggles, but who knows when.

---Mike Savad

 

J L Meadows

11 Months Ago

^There are shops on the web that sell steampunk clothing and stuff. I saw a steampunk laptop once. You actually had to wind it with a key to turn it on. Kinda cool.

 

Franziskus Pfleghart

11 Months Ago




Art Prints

 

Mike Savad

11 Months Ago

franz - what does that have to do with the topic?

---Mike Savad

 

Floyd Snyder

11 Months Ago

JL, you basically have 10 images.

You can't sell off an empty wagon. You can't sell off an empty wagon especially if you are doing art work that is pretty much out of the mainstream.

When I first joined FAA I didn't sell a thing in the first 100 images I loaded. Since then sales have been on a steady incline in direct proportion of the number of uploads.

I have built three Power Seller stores on eBay. This was before they lowered the qualifications of becoming a Power Seller. But none of them sold worth beans until I got to 200 listings and then it was still nothing to speak of, a sale here and there. The magic number was 1000 listings. Once I hit 1000 listings sales took off. Here again it was a direct correlation to the number of listings I added.

At one time I had 30,000 listing on eBay and was the 5th largest store in my category out of of 230,000 people selling in that category. They say they have over 1 million selling in that category now and I think I am number 35 or 40 but they changed the categories now and it is pretty much meaningless because of the way they compute the numbers.

Since I have retired I think I am down to maybe 6-8,000 listings on eBay and sales have dropped accordingly.

It's a number games... plain and simple....

I still think that too many artist are looking for people that buy "art".... I don't think the average person is buying "art" I don't think the average buyer even knows what art is or cares. They are buying for decorating or gifts or because the just like what they see. They do not see "art". The just see what they like.

I use the Korean or Asian starving artist paintings all the time as a example. If you hung 10 great landscape painting on a wall and ten Korean paintings on the wall, with no prices or names showing and asked a hundred people off the street to vote for the piece they would be most likely to buy, I bet the chances are no better than 50/50 that one of the Korean paintings may be the one with the highest number of picks.

I know that ticks a lot of artist off when I say that but it is what it is.

 

Michel Soucy

11 Months Ago

I fell for that too....just what it says...a test group. Well, I tested it, and yup....nada. But as you, I had to try. lol!

I have over 1300 images and sales can be slow at times, but yeah... sales didn't start until I had a few hundred.
Hard to market such a limited selection of 10/12 images, especially seeing that you've been a member since 09/18/2011, perhaps a larger portfolio might help.

Cheers...and best of luck!

~Michel Soucy

 

Wendy J St Christopher

11 Months Ago

It's been a sad truth for my online business -- I've never sold anything from a site where I had fewer than 100 listings. That includes FAA, Etsy, Zazzle, Yessy, and other online venues.

I know it's not true for everyone, but 'number of listings' has been a consistent factor for all my online business. It seems many buyers have been 'spoiled' by shopping at places like Amazon and eBay, where choices are vast.

Now, selling in the real world can be a different story. In the real world, I can usually make at least one sale, if I'm showing just three or four pieces. For me, that's never translated to the web, where numbers are king. :-/

 

Roy Erickson

11 Months Ago

Sales - some of you have sales - "I" know - but sometimes I have to ask myself what they are.

 

Anita Dale Livaditis

11 Months Ago

Floyd, I agree, because it is comfortable, easy to classify, they understand it - they can say, "Oh, I know what that is." That's why I say there is some art that is great, but really doesn't belong in most homes, it belongs in a museum. Not many people would want to live with a Basquiat every day, even though it is great art.

Most of the stuff on the sales page is like that, easy to digest, easy to hang in a home, you won't scare the kids or grandma.

I am OK with that, I have stuff in my home like that, too, I just don't want to look at it too long on the sales page because I am afraid I will ruin my eyes.

 

My art makes them smile(The Public) JL, I think yours is great ,I really like your Tombstone piece

 

J L Meadows

11 Months Ago

Thank you, Leah. And I like your Hitchcock and Poe paintings. The hat element is a really cool idea.

Yeah, I know I need to produce more pieces. I hope that somehow I'll have the time and energy to produce enough for a decent-sized gallery, and somehow figure out how to produce salable art that's more user-friendly or something. Whatever that is.

 

Franziskus Pfleghart

11 Months Ago

Mike, you are the guardian of the Forum ? by the way my name is Franziskus

 

@ Franz, I like Mike being the guardian of the forum as you say it. He has a good eye and is very knowledgeable and helps others.
@ JL, I find if one wants to paint they will find the time. I have one of the most hectic lives around and I hear many artist's locally saying they don't have time to paint or market and complain about it all the time while they are taking time to hang out with their friends, , take weekend drives etc. my point being, I don't do other activities too much because if I have time I am going to paint ,work and promote. I don't socialize too much but maybe 2x a week to go up to my local tap house and have a beer with a few friends. I have made painting my priority but I am also OBSESSED with it and get very depressed if I am not painting. I used to produce about 90 paintings a year but now I am down to about 50. Also don't worry so much about the public, it's about getting into your own magical world and people will either like it or not. But if they do you will know it as long as you include some promoting with it.

 

Mike Savad

11 Months Ago

guardian why not? mostly it's that you tend to post random images without dialog in threads that have nothing to do with the image. it's just blatant spamming without contributing.

@JL as i said, the doodles your making is art too, post it up and sell it. everything in rocking horse image should be it's own art. each little one should be on it's own. for now to bulk up, make small things, as i said. try to keep it fast and simple. for every 10 small images, make 1 large one if you want. but to bulk up you have to either paint faster, or keep it small and simple.


---Mike Savad

 

Good advice for JL Mike, especially if she is lacking time

 

Christy Beckwith

11 Months Ago

JL if my art can sell (and it does) yours can too. I really like your Epitaph and Mobile Home paintings but I would never buy them with the title on the bottom. The turtle piece would be great in a nursery so market it as such. Hope that helps!

 

Shana Rowe

11 Months Ago

You have great work J L, you just need to do more. Leah is right you need to make time. If It is your calling it will come. I know it's easier said then done, the reason Leah and I have so many is not only because we make time but we have gotten fast at what we do too (the more you do the better you get). My life has been busy this year too because I am working more since my husband lost his job. I'm down from my numbers last year, (I did 130 originals in 2013) but I am still painting, and have done over 40 so far this year, because I am still painting, even though I can't do it as much. Do it in between things, do it a little at a time, but what ever you do don't stop cold. Keep going!! Does it take you long to finish one piece?

 

Shana Rowe

11 Months Ago

The lack of selling is definitely not a reflection of your art, you do beautiful work, it's just hard to get up there in the search when you don't have a lot in your portfolio. Even as much as I paint, I still need more on here to get my numbers up. It's not an easy climb all the time, especially when you are a traditional artist.

 

Very true Shana, it's not an easy climb but if one get's up there in the search it needs to be kept up and not get stale. That's another reason I have been continuing working so hard to keep it all up

 

Shana Rowe

11 Months Ago

Exactly. So True. Just have to keep on going!! I wish I was painting right now, but today is one day I am forcing myself to get out and socialize. I will be getting plenty of reference photos though. (Always thinking about painting no matter where I'm at lol)

 

Mike Savad

11 Months Ago

socialize.... meh.

the only guilt i feel is, i'm working in digital art that take days and not hours like the other stuff. and i'm not using up the huge stock of photos i should be doing.


---Mike Savad

 

Shana Rowe

11 Months Ago

Lol Mike, that's my general feeling for the most part, but some days I feel like I need to get out and be amongst the normal. ;) As far as the digital art goes, it my take you a while but that's where you get to get really creative and unique. That's what sets your work apart.

 

Today I get to paint since the next 3 days we have appts. my husband is having breakfast now, then I will start Chicken ala King in a crock pot, then I will get him dressed and ready for the day and Voila he is good till lunch which is only a few hours for me to paint, then we'll have leftover sloppy joes (I planned easy meals today knowing I was going to paint) after lunch I'll have a few more hours to paint till dinner is ready in the crock pot, then I have to stop since I can't see in the evenings to paint :(

 

I wish I could socialize and do fun things more, but like I said I have to choose my time wisely. I hardly get invitesa nymore anyway lol since I have been turning everyone down for years since I paint so much, funny thing is these are the same people that complain they don't get time to paint or sell anything and wonder how I do it, well it's because I turn them down all the time to work

 

Shana Rowe

11 Months Ago

Lol no kidding, I'm with you there this is the first time I have been out in like three weeks, and before then it had been months. I try to choose my time wisely too. I hardly ever go out, and only have like 2 friends, because I have secluded myself and would rather spend time painting, I also have social anxiety which doesn't help. This is a friend from my day job, we are going apple picking, so this should be a good opportunity to get some great fall reference photos for paintings, which I haven't had much opportunity do do. As long as I am able to do something art related it is time well spent.

 

Mike Savad

11 Months Ago

the other thing about selling is, you have to make one after another. it's not - make one, wait 4 months to see if it sells. you have to be a factory, making one thing after another. try different things. experiment with shape, color, theme and see what gets the most response. while the paint dries, push your work everywhere. if you have few things, get on to redbubble, zazzle and all the other places. if anything it's exposure.

---Mike Savad

 

Fran Riley

11 Months Ago

My dad would always say that @Shawna - "you do great work; you juist need to do more of it!" It wasn't art he was referring to however, but it usually applies to life. JL I know how you feel - but you have to keep pluggin' away. It does seem like a 'crap shoot' to figure out what people want or are willing to buy, what strikes their fancy, etc. Often I think I should find a different outlet and plan to explore some painting soon. We'll see...

 

Franziskus Pfleghart

11 Months Ago

;-)))))))

 

Benjamin Yeager

11 Months Ago

Franz, is that piece you posted considered steampunk? I know very little about that genre.

 

Floyd Snyder

11 Months Ago

Leah!

This is crazy!! I love it!!

Photography Prints

 

Franziskus Pfleghart

11 Months Ago

Benjamin, it's my style. I do not know what to understand everything under the term steampunk. Maybe it knows of the Guardian Angels

Sell Art Online

 

Mike Savad

11 Months Ago

Art Prints Art Prints Art Prints

this is steampunk. a victorian world where plastic and rubber were never made, things are dirty, industrial, mechanical and victorian. can be western too (like in wild west with will smith, giant robot spider). inventions are key, things that need to be powered in other ways and clockwork.


---Mike Savad

 

Benjamin Yeager

11 Months Ago

@JL, Leah, Mike & Franz - Very attractive pieces. Gritty and grungy yet nice to look at.

 

Fran Riley

11 Months Ago

Mike - your avatar is so appropo =) ready for halloween!

 

Mike Savad

11 Months Ago

yep, gotta get ready for the day we get candy, i hope we have no hurricanes this year. or ice storms, or freak blizzards, or hail. or whatever.


---Mike Savad

 

Joy Bradley

11 Months Ago

Mike your face makes me smile every day!! Great costume!! digital work!! Oh...... and the idea to change your look now and then !!...............Joy

 

Mike Savad

11 Months Ago

i like changing and keeping it the same. like the mustache will always be there. its amazing how different one can look with a little make up or facial hair.


---Mike Savad

 

Cynthia Decker

11 Months Ago

WAIT. I thought steampunk was an alternate past, not an alternate future.

 

Mike Savad

11 Months Ago

cyberpunk is usually the future. steampunk is a past, but it could also be present depending on what happened in the timeline. where we usually have some big war and it it killed most current commerce and invention. it's sort of like the victorian age never left us.

---Mike Savad

 

Shana Rowe

11 Months Ago

Mike I love your new avatar!! I was just thinking about changing mine to more of a Halloween theme too!! I kinda agree with you when you say whip them right out and keep going. I've done 5 paintings in the past two weeks and have the next 3 sketched and a few hundred others planned!! Really wish I could have painted today while I'm on a roll, but was out and about. Did manage to get a couple of good reference photos for future projects, and hope to get some painting done tomorrow. I use to be able to whip out two or more paintings in one day, but don't have the time lately :(.

 

Zeana Romanovna

11 Months Ago

Franziskus, your art is brilliant :)

 

Franziskus Pfleghart

11 Months Ago

Zeana, this assessment of a true connoisseur honors me. Thank you.

You understand what I mean. smile ;-)

Your works of art are also admirable.

Sell Art Online

 

Franziskus Pfleghart

11 Months Ago

long live the modern digital age


Photography Prints

 

Vivian ANDERSON

11 Months Ago

Yes, and, back to our artist friend 's original art please.........digital elsewhere, why here on JL's thread/painting discussion......??

Art Prints

 

Franziskus Pfleghart

11 Months Ago

Sehr schönes Bildchen Vivian.

 

Isabella F Abbie Shores

11 Months Ago

This is JL's thread

Such gorgeous work

Photography Prints

 

Thanks Floyd, I hate the guy that bought my original last year, wish I could buy it back from lol, glad I am still selling some prints of it here and there.

 

Vivian ANDERSON

11 Months Ago



Thanks, Abbie............."""f that isn't a hint, I don't know what is."" ..(OP).......!

 

J L Meadows

11 Months Ago

Thanks Isabella, Vivian, and everyone! I'll keep plugging away. I've also adjusted my prices. We'll see what happens. :)

 

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