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Judy Kay

11 Months Ago

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I suspected I was dreaming to expect that my samsung galaxy phone would not be sufficient to photograph a 16/20 canvas..I photographed it did the usual editing.
And even uploaded the photo from the phone. .would only generate small print..some other here insist they photograph large canvas with just iPhone. .??..

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Marlene Burns

11 Months Ago

now many megapixels do you have? i have 8 on my iPhone 5

 

Judy Kay

11 Months Ago

Marlene..it has 13 megapixels..should be adequate per discussions..I only tried 2x..and am still learning camera functions! I was thrilled that I could upload from phone ! It is a fantastic device !

 

Marlene Burns

11 Months Ago

sounds like when you are doing one of the transfers, the jpg is being reduced...make sure all settings for transferring are set to original size.
without cropping, i can get almost 2500x3300....at 100 pixels per inch, that translates into a print 25x33"
Photography Prints
This photo is offered at 24x30

what program are you using to transfer?

 

Judy Kay

11 Months Ago

Transfer?.the photo I take of painting goes into my gallery on the phone..I edit and then just upload to faa in usual manner.. it makes three or four print sizes approx..I did not submit the image.

 

Marlene Burns

11 Months Ago

try this...make a file folder on your desktop and transfer from your phone to your computer instead....then take a look at the file size.see how big it is.
report back. i command you! (j/k)

according to the manufacturer, you should be outputting:
Samsung Galaxy S4 4,128 x 3,096
By faa standards of 100 pixels per inch, you should have a 41"x30" printable image before cropping.

 

Judy Kay

11 Months Ago

Marlene.the image is already on on pc via DB..is that adequate ?

 

Craig Carter

11 Months Ago

A pixel is not necessarily a pixel: Here is an example.

Keep in mind that the Canon EOS-1D, a 4.1 megapixel SLR, has pixels that are 12 times larger than the pixels on Canon's own 4MP consumer camera, the G2. For a variety of reasons this makes a huge difference in image quality, but is not something that camera store salesman will mention. (They probably don't even know this themselves.)

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/counting1.shtml

 

Marlene Burns

11 Months Ago

look at it in DB ( i usually just hover with my mouse) and see how many pixels it is

 

Judy Kay

11 Months Ago

Marlene, I had deleted 2 of 3 images as they were just an experiment...poorly cropped.etc..I am still getting familiar with taking photos on the device...I do have this link...but for some reason on DB ...i could not right click or hoover and get any more info other than that it is png. 1.88 mb..

There is an option to download the image from db..>I wonder if by doing so...I will then have the ability to "save as" jpg..and other goodies...? It is late now...I will experiment further on that possibility.
Craig...the "pixel is not necessarily a pixel...I hope this means that just because I only have 13 megapixels...it may translate to more because of some technological support system built into the phone...ha..wishful thinking on my part, huh! Thanks for the link...and information.

Just went back to drop box and was able to view the original version of the photo...Here are the details... 1,929-81 KB (1,976,130 bytes

1314 px x 989 px scaled to 830 px x 625 px ...May as well speak Russian! )) 65502h..???!!!

 

Marlene Burns

11 Months Ago

somethings very wrong....it may be downloading to dropbox...those pixel sizes are way too small...you phone produces a far bigger image.....
i'd suggest changing where you send the images....don't send them to DB anymore...put them in a folder on your desktop..they will transfer as jpgs and they will be far bigger.
good luck!
i just checked my DB and the sizes match up to what they should be...something may be happening when your camera is putting the images in DB.
ALso check in settings on your phone to see if there is a setting to maximize photo size...i'm not famiiar with your phone....

 

Judy Kay

11 Months Ago

I have only taken a few pictures with the camera..I will try as you suggested and edit them with my normal Microsoft editing program on the pc. editing images on a phone so much more difficult in general. Thanks Marlene!

 

Bradford Martin

11 Months Ago

Judy. Like Craig said pixel quantity and quality are 2 different things. Also there is a reason why a good lens for reproducing art can run a thousand dollars. Don't sell yourself or your art or career short by selling your originals without making good print file. Scanning may be a better choice. If you do upload camera phone shots consider downsizing them or disabling the larger sizes. Also look at them at 100% view on a calibrated desktop monitor.
My pipe dream is that people would upload only the highest quality images and make this site the best in the world.

 

Bob Galka

11 Months Ago

Judy check to make sure there aren't setting on your phone for image resolution. In other words you may have a setting to adjust how much resolution your images are. This is done so that you can store more images on your camera with the trade off of lower resolution (smaller size) of you images.

bob

 

Judy Kay

10 Months Ago

Bob...the setting you are referring to...Isnt that setting designated BEFORE you take the photos...or is that a designation that is made "AFTER the fact! On my Sony cybershot camera, for example, ...I just set the megapixel to the highest megapixel setting and leave it there for all photos that I take of paintings....I thought that would be the same with the samsung camera...Do I now have the option to designate the setting after the photo is made instead?
Martin...I am really confused by your instructions on making them smaller...I have always done the exact opposite on the cybershot...I set the camera at the 12 megapixel setting, the largest size possible and photo all my paintings...I thought that would be the same for the samsung?! Truthfully, I never expected that the Samsung camera would be superior to the cybershot I use now...For one thing, there is no tripod option...etc..I remember that Marlene had stated that she photographs all of her artwork (and there are some large ones)with her Iphone 5...so I thought I would try just to see...I plan on buying a better camera...Probably not dslr, though...A camera with higher megapixel that has the cmos sensors etc. for better photographing ..I like to bike, hike..so I need something more compact.

Just a note...I was really surprised that I could photograph the painting, edit it and then upload it directly from the phone to FAA...without transferring the image anywhere...I did not submit it but was surprised to see that it was possible...

PS..Regarding Image quality...and the importance of a good lens...I had always heard the the Carl Zeiss lens is one of the best available...which is what is on the cybershot camera...for photographing paintings, one would think that that would be sufficient...but for scenery outdoors and larger scenarios, a better, camera would be more appropriate??

 

Marlene Burns

10 Months Ago

Just found out about the "box" this morning....50 gigs of free space, compatible with iPhone and iPad....amazing! A new cloud....I'm loading int up right now!
Bob, thanks for your help!

 

Bob Galka

10 Months Ago

Judy... Yes I am talking about the setting BEFORE you take the pictures.. and you seem to have that set at the highest setting. I think that you might need to explain step by step exactly what you are doing. When you take the photo.. can you check on the phone what the resolution and size of the image is?

bob


@Marlene... your welcome ( I guess ;O)

 

Bradford Martin

10 Months Ago

As for image quality, while Carl Ziess might be a great lens manufacturer, just having their name is not what makes it a good lens for photographing art. Sufficient is a very low standard. A point and shoot may make acceptable images but hardly great ones in a technical sense. Why would the standard of quality be less for photographing art for fine art prints than for photographing outdoor scenes? It should be higher. A better lens means sharper and more detail, better color reproduction, less distortion and chromatic abberation. There are a lot of ways to build a camera so I am not going to say that a DSLR is the only quality option. But generally a larger sensor and lens equated to a better final image. I own an Iphone 5. It does not come close to my 5 year old Nikon D300 in quality. I don't photograph a lot of art but I sure have to look at a lot. I am a pretty good judge of what makes a nice print.

 

Judy Kay

10 Months Ago

Wow Bradford, I would think that a Point and Shoot quality camera with a carl zeiss lens and cmos sensor and 13 + megapixels would be more than adequate for taking photos of paintings...Remember, you are getting relatively close to a painting to photograph.. whereas while photographing outdoors there is a considerable distance factored in so a dlsr would be more effective.....Sometimes, honestly I think too much megapixel can distort a painting as it serves almost like putting it under a microscope...Great paintings, it is understood are better appreciated from a distance.I sometimes think the same principal should apply to photographing artwork....zooming in with a high megapixel camera is just too harsh and distorts some of the softer qualities that may want to be emphasized...??? I am certainly not disputing the photographic superiority of a dslr vs a pos or camera in a smartphone...I just cant help thinking that in instances where you are just photographing things like art up close , a good quality sony nex series or sony rx100 would be viable options...
Bob, I am on page 100 of 400 of the instructions on the phone and still have not really spent time with the camera function...Just one day outdoors, casually shooting...In the next couple of days I am going to devote time to just the camera functions..and then I will even be better able to describe what steps I am taking to photograph...Right now...its just hit and miss"! I dont really expect that a camera in a smart phone is equipped to photograph art sufficiently...But then, Marlene does it well! hmm!!..I realize my next step is buying a better camera for that purpose......

 

Judy Kay

10 Months Ago

Note I added some questions to original topic last night late addressed to bob and Bradford ...but I also wanted to update the actual image and hopefully answer questions posed by Bob specifically... I just photographed a recent painting using the samsung.galaxy s4phone..I used the auto setting ...and photographed it outdoors in shade...Previously I attempted to edit it right on the phone...which is a little difficult given the visibility factor...Today I went to my pc...logged into DropBox and viewed and downloaded the ORIGINAL copy...to my Microsoft Office Picture Manager on my desktop pc..I cropped, edited the brightness etc...and uploaded it via pc to FAA... I checked the properties and it is 4182x2322 4.69 mb... here is the link: Photography Prints

What is the best way to process...photo taken from camera...edited by camera...and directly uploaded to faa via camera...or as I described above...which is a little tedious...it also relies on my pc's state of mind..!! Pardon so many questions...I really appreciate any guidance...
I also would appreciate any comments about the quality of the photo for POD...i realize the comment is not written in stone...and the final determination is made by FAA upon processing etc...I also realize I need to work more with settings...

 

Bob Galka

10 Months Ago

Hey Judy... well it seems that you have a large enough image. Quality is another thing... looking at it at 100% there are some JPG artifacts (mostly noticeable in the canvas texture), and there is one more thing to check your manual about that. When your camera converts the image that the sensor captures to jpg there may also be a setting for jpg quality settings. So first see if that is a setting that your camera has and if so make sure it is set for highest jpg quality. But it probably is and this is just the best "quality" that your camera sensor can provide.

As far as image processing.. using something like Photoshop (picture manager is not really what you should be relying on) on your PC will always provide the tools for the best image to upload.

 

Judy Kay

10 Months Ago

Bob...I will check out the jpg qualities you mentioned...I am not quite clear on your last sentence...regarding the best tools for editing the photo ...?
I think you mean that processing and editing the image via the pc is a better choice than from the phone.. ?? I just started using db for the first time...within last two weeks ...when I take pictures from the phone camera..they are in a folder on the phone...I didnt touch those images this time in the phone...I went directly to pc and logged into db...I saw the image in question...It gave me the choice to download the original ..which I did...and I edited it via Microsoft Office Picture Manager...it is not a comprehensive editing program...I just crop...auto correct..and sometimes use a little contrast after the auto correct if necessary... I think my ADD is working overtime...seems like my images are everywhere now...they are initially in a folder on the phone...then somehow, the same photo ends up having the DB symbol on the album in the phone. I go to pc...same issue...I am having trouble keeping up with my images..Imagine this if I take several photos of the same image...problem compounds..here, there, everywhere...I am almost at the point I just want to get a memory stick and pick all photos on it.. I never had that confusion with pc...all images went into a folder...I deleted the ones I didnt like and that was that...Of course..I didn't have all of the options available now to share...which is a great option...just gets some getting used to I suppose.

I definitely want to check out the sensor specs for the camera...and to make sure I have it on best possible setting.

PS I need to give more thought on how, and where I am going to store photos taken by the phone..where they are more manageable.

 

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