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John Crothers

7 Months Ago

Is The Artist Mind Naturally Unrealistic?

(I was going to put this on my "If you can't stand the heat" group but I think this can be discussed here. It's not really a political or religious subject.)

Seems to me that the artist mind is not a very realistic mind.

First we create fantasy. Things that are not really there. The painter uses dabs of paint to make something that looks like a tree. Even the photographer creates scenes that aren't completely accurate.

Does this carry over into the "real" world?

I hear artist constantly talk about the "beauty" in nature when the reality is...it's not. It is harsh and mean and brutal. Yet the artist seems to want to ignore that side.

Concepts like "peace and love and harmony" are not found in the real world. It is chaos and competition. Yet we have this idealized version of life on Earth.

Of course, these are not concepts embraced ONLY by artist but artist try to CAPTURE it, illustrate it. Other people just BUY it (lucky for us).

So what are your opinions? Are artist more "out of touch" with reality than the general population?

Remember, there are thousands of people that think they will earn a decent living in the art world! That says something!


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Mary Bedy

7 Months Ago

It's a mind set, John. Peace love and harmony do exist in the real world. It's not living in a fantasy world to look for it. When I take a photo of a beautiful sunrise, or a wonder of nature, I'm looking at peace and harmony in the real world before a shoot.

Too many people through life trauma focus on the negative because we all experience a lot of that. But you can change your mind set. You can feel the harmony around you. It's a matter of practice.

 

P S

P S

7 Months Ago

Nature isn't intrinsically "harsh" and "mean" and "brutal", these are human constructs and concepts, not any less a naive one-dimensional view of nature. And just like "beauty" is. There's nothing brutal about a lion killing a gazelle for its own survival, or about an eagle killing a squirrel. The *beauty of nature* is its perfect balance which humans could learn a lot from.

 

Marlene Burns

7 Months Ago

whose reality?
when you can answer that question, then we have something to discuss

 

John Crothers

7 Months Ago

Reality is reality Marlene. It is what it is, no matter the definition.

 

Marlene Burns

7 Months Ago

well, actually, no, John...Your reality is a sum total of your experience, knowledge, mindfulness and attitude. Your sum total cannot be mine or anyone else's.

 

John Crothers

7 Months Ago

"When I take a photo of a beautiful sunrise, or a wonder of nature, I'm looking at peace and harmony in the real world before a shoot."

I know what you are talking about Mary. I have seen the sunsets and the natural wonders.

Heck on this site alone there are thousands and thousands of images of amazing creatures and landscapes.

But the sunrise is just from the rotation of the Earth. The mountains are just (violent) forces of nature pushing up the land. Just under the water of that beautiful beach scene, thousands of creatures are killed every hour so other's can eat.

So is the peace and harmony REAL or is it how we chose to see it?

 

Janine Riley

7 Months Ago

Who's reality ?

A butterfly setting on a flower ?
A 3yr old child chasing lightening bugs ?

The 47 year old Neurosurgeon ?
The woman who just gave birth to her first child ?
a soldier in the trenches....

Who's reality.... and what are they aware of that they are witnessing at that moment .

 

Marlene Burns

7 Months Ago

Janine, exactly!
John seems to think reality is reality.
good luck with that one!

 

Laura Fasulo

7 Months Ago

I think an artist has the ability to see the beauty in anything to see beyond the harshness of nature, the brutality of man and find the beauty in it.

Could that be our purpose, the purpose of art, to remind people of of our potential - of this beautiful life.

 

Mike Savad

7 Months Ago

i think it's how you view it. like i see junk, but it has a certain harmony to it. take a street photo of the urban landscape and it tells a story better than something in the suburbs. there is chaos and such, but only if you look for it. i'd rather be looking at the birds and the trees. artists simply have a different way of looking at things - i think that's the main difference.


---Mike Savad

 

Mary Bedy

7 Months Ago

Geeze, John, why so cynical? I wouldn't be able to get out of bed every morning, if I took a glass half empty attitude all the time. If you think like that constantly, you just can't see the beauty. Everything is a balance. I'm not saying we must ignore the negative. If we do, nothing gets done to correct the inequities that are caused by our actions. But negating the beauty around us just make us physically sick, cynical, bitter and sour human beings.

I prefer to concentrate of the positive, and take action when I see I can do something about the negative.

 

John Crothers

7 Months Ago

"Nature isn't intrinsically "harsh" and "mean" and "brutal", these are human constructs and concepts, not any less a naive one-dimensional view of nature. And just like "beauty" is. There's nothing brutal about a lion killing a gazelle for its own survival, or about an eagle killing a squirrel. The *beauty of nature* is its perfect balance which humans could learn a lot from"

Philip, I understand killing is part of nature (it is kind of the point of this thread).

But "perfect balance" is also a human construct and concept. I doubt the gazelle or squirrel in your example would call being killed for food is balance.

Nature really ISN'T "perfectly balanced" it is in constant motion tipping towards birth or death but never static and balanced. It may be in a constant fight to STAY balanced, but it never achieves perfect balance.

 

John Crothers

7 Months Ago

"well, actually, no, John...Your reality is a sum total of your experience, knowledge, mindfulness and attitude. Your sum total cannot be mine or anyone else's"

Again, MY perception doesn't change reality. It is what it is.

We can TRY to make reality in our own image but that don't make it so!

 

Kelley Lee McDonald

7 Months Ago

Hi John, You said "Reality is reality" better get a big bucket because your boat has a giant hole in it...

 

John Crothers

7 Months Ago

"Who's reality.... and what are they aware of that they are witnessing at that moment "

Janie,

I would say reality doesn't even need an observer to be reality.

 

John Crothers

7 Months Ago

"I think an artist has the ability to see the beauty in anything to see beyond the harshness of nature, the brutality of man and find the beauty in it.
Could that be our purpose, the purpose of art, to remind people of of our potential - of this beautiful life. "

Laura, you may be right and it addresses the point of my post. Maybe seeing beyond the harshness of nature is unrealistic but it is what we do.

The thing about the concept of beauty is it is not something we teach our kids. It seems to be something we figure out ourselves.

I think some seem to think I am implying unrealistic is "wrong". It's not. You can look at the world any way you want. The creation of art may just be our attempts at showing OTHERS our version of beauty.

 

Donna Proctor

7 Months Ago

John -

There's always more than one way to "see" something. Sometimes we choose to see the beauty but that doesn't mean the ugly doesn't exist. If we all went through life just seeing what is sour and ugly in every "thing" we'd all be a mess.

For me it's like this - there is balance in the world and every thing on this planet. Within the balance some people think it's the yin and yang and that's the end of it. There is also balance within each of the balances within each individual yin and yang. Is it even possible to reduce it all the way down to recognize it? Is it even worth it?

If we spend our lives trying to recognize all of everything, we'd all be meditating on every aspect of every thing, through our lives no differently than how Buddhists or Hindu monks might spend much of their time trying to reach enlightenment . . .

--Donna Proctor

Edit @ Janine - Nicely stated . . . almost poetic.

 

Edward Fielding

7 Months Ago

Nothing wrong with striving for things like "peace and harmony". If someone doesn't set the goal posts in the realm of ideal, the rest of the world won't know what they are working towards.

 

Alfred Ng

7 Months Ago

Oh, John better change your way of thinking otherwise it would not help with your new career of real estate agent

 

Marlene Burns

7 Months Ago

It might be ONE purpose....and the same one that anyone in the arts may believe....a poet, a musician, a writer, dancer, singer, etc.
BUT, it is not the 'artist' and artist alone that may be relegated to this purpose...what about just one regular person, who is mindful and sees problems, contributes to a cause, cleans up his mess on this earth???
we all have the capability of making this world more beautiful
artists are not any more special.
when you start selling real estate, you will help people be happy in their new homes. that counts as much.

 

John Crothers

7 Months Ago

"Geeze, John, why so cynical? I wouldn't be able to get out of bed every morning, if I took a glass half empty attitude all the time. If you think like that constantly, you just can't see the beauty. Everything is a balance. I'm not saying we must ignore the negative. If we do, nothing gets done to correct the inequities that are caused by our actions. But negating the beauty around us just make us physically sick, cynical, bitter and sour human beings."

I disagree Mary. I am not cynical at all. I have accepted these things. There is nothing that can be done. Nature will be cruel and harsh no matter how much we wish it weren't so.

To me, it makes me appreciate the other side even more. Without the reality of death, how can we appreciate the beauty of life?

Without understanding the "big picture" of something like the death under the surface how can we appreciate the individual fish?

Without understanding killing is necessary for survival how can we appreciate the skill it takes for the lion to kill the gazelle?

Without the struggle to survive how can we appreciate the babies surviving to adulthood?

Seeing the entire picture, not just the parts we WANT to see, opens our eyes to even more beauty. The "untraditional" beauty like the crocodile taking down a zebra. Concentrating on just the "pretty zebra" means you miss the beauty of the crocodile.

 

John Crothers

7 Months Ago

"Hi John, You said "Reality is reality" better get a big bucket because your boat has a giant hole in it..."

Kelly...

??????????

 

Mary Bedy

7 Months Ago

Wel, the way you had put it at first, John, it sounded like you were practically "down on life". The way you put it now, just above, I agree with completely.

And I think crocodiles are pretty cool creatures ;-)

 

John Crothers

7 Months Ago

"There's always more than one way to "see" something. Sometimes we choose to see the beauty but that doesn't mean the ugly doesn't exist. If we all went through life just seeing what is sour and ugly in every "thing" we'd all be a mess"

I agree 100% Donna. But don't you think we also need to "see" the sour and ugly as well or we'd also be a mess?

Like you said. Yin and Yang. We NEED both but some seem to only want the Yin.

 

John Crothers

7 Months Ago

"Nothing wrong with striving for things like "peace and harmony". If someone doesn't set the goal posts in the realm of ideal, the rest of the world won't know what they are working towards."

Nothing wrong with "striving" for it Edward but if we aren't realistic not being able to achieve it could be quite depressing and disenchanting.

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Vale Tek

7 Months Ago

The artists have created new images - Egyptian pyramids, Chinese wall, water. rail and road, the road into space, the moon, mars, to other stars.

These images of ensured employment and prosperity in many countries throughout the millennia.

You can continue this list.........
you need be more "out of touch" with reality than the general population .

1 example of a new (well forgotten) image - square - spherical
http://www.monolithic.org/topics/domes
 - it is necessary for the youth

2  for me and :) maybe you - Second Life
http://secondlife.com/ :)

3 . who's next ..?

Good Luck everyone!
Cheers,V

 

Vale Tek

7 Months Ago


... rise and fall of key ideas like postmodernism, conceptualism, and relational aesthetics

So now I do not know what virtue is; perhaps you knew before you contacted me, .
.. It is essentially the question that begins "post-Socratic" Western philosophy.

I'll happy .... if you continue this topic

 

Roger Swezey

7 Months Ago

Philip,

You wrote:.."The *beauty of nature* is its perfect balance which humans could learn a lot from."

To me:

1..."The beauty of nature" is a human construct ( and perhaps some birds [Bower bird example] )

2..." perfect balance" has never existed.. a continuing "cause and effect" process is always occuring.

 

P S

P S

7 Months Ago

I agree that beauty is a human construct. I was simply clarifying what I meant with "beauty" in the context of nature.. It's an equilibrium found in nature, or better yet the equilibrium of nature. You can't not use human constructs when using language.

"The Tao that can be spoken of is not the eternal Tao" - Tao Te Ching

 

Kelley Lee McDonald

7 Months Ago

Philip, I like the way your mind works. You're an interesting fellow.

 

Roger Swezey

7 Months Ago

RE: Equilibrium.

Whether we have been blessed, cursed or just evolve to be self conscience beings, so be it.

To me:

"Equilibrium"is not only a physical requirement (I'm always reminded of it, being almost 80, as I climb up and down the stairs), it is also a mental and I dare say, moral requirement for our being......Everyone strives for equilibrium within themselves, and the world around them.....

.We as "Artists" continually work to create new equilibria,.to evoke beauty or to provoke thought.

And we urgently need reactions to our actions (creations), otherwise everything is out of kilter..and those equilibria fly out the window. or collapse by their own weight.

 

Bob Galka

7 Months Ago

But Roger, most of the important occurrences in art history are when artist challenge the "equilibrium" as in coloring outside the lines ;O) Without those challenges there would be no change, and change is good.

 

P S

P S

7 Months Ago

Equilibrium doesn't mean not coloring outside the lines or only coloring inside the lines. It means coloring both inside and outside the lines to form the "equilibrium" between two parts or opposing ways.

 

P S

P S

7 Months Ago

Thanks Kelley. My mind is your mind and it's the existence of our shared reality that's the most interesting. By "our" I mean everyone and everything. Or the ones in this thread till now and beyond :

Your mind. My mind. Roger's mind. Vale's mind. Marco's mind. Billy's mind. Bob's mind. Walter's mind. Royd's mind. Jam's mind. Joseph's mind. Robert's mind. Val's mind. Janine's mind. Donna's mind. John's mind. Marlene's mind. HW's mind. Amy's mind. David's mind. Isabella's mind. Ed's mind. Aman's mind. Zeana's mind. Carolyn's mind. Mikyong's mind. Dan's mind. Phil's mind. Michael's mind. Roz' mind. Bruce's mind. Edward's mind. Jenny's mind. Gabriele's mind. Tony's mind. Sydne's mind. Carmen's mind. Jim's mind. Sheena's mind. Wendy's mind. Mary's mind. Laura's mind. Alfred's mind. Mike's mind,..

Who are we?! Are we our minds or Our Mind….

 

Marcio Faustino

7 Months Ago

Picasso started with his abstract work after walking on a fair in Paris with African tribal art when he realised "Art have always being about the abistract".

And this is one of the longest discussion in art history. Since Platos until now a days, many artists have being accusing mimetic art works as corruption of art.

I have this text which have a way to approach it in a interesting manner: It is called "Feminization of artistic expression in today's world"

There is this constant transition from masculinization to feminization (and vice-versa) in the artistic expression through art history, and I guess Plato was the first to mention about it accusing the transition to feminisation of art in the transitory period moment in which he was living. For Plato, it would educate soldiers to become less aggressive and less toughs. Oh yes, Plato was full of mimimi in some of his ideas.

But he got a point. The artistic expression has a lot to do about its society behaviours and thoughts. We can say that art is the expression, and therefore the reflection, of its society. Isn't it?

But it is not what I want talk about. What I find interesting is the influence technology has on communication, and therefore in artistic expression. Not only in communication but in everything, even on the way we behave as well on the way we think and express ourselves.

Let me explain. Long time ago we humans didn't have any tool to hunt and defend ourselves from predators. We were a bunch of chickens running afraid of everything. But one day some fellas created tools and from that time on we became the badass in the animal kingdom. We can say that the tools changed the way we looked at reality (probably because we changed it) and even at ourselves.

How about the artistic media, our communication tools, they are also piece of technologies. Like any tool or technology it can influence our behaviour, the way we think and therefore our expression. How much differential in communication and expression is in between wood sculptures ans marble sculptures? Oil paint and watercolour? How about Silver gelatin print and digital print? Acoustic Instruments and digital sounds? Electric guitar and acoustic guitar? Written text and typed text? TV and Theatre? etc?
I would say a lot.

Recently somebody was talking about the good rock in roll bands in the 60's, 70's and 80's saying that now a days it is hard to find band with the same quality as in those decades. And the reason looks to be about creation and copies. At that time rock in roll was fine art, it was about innovation exploration, creation and recreation while today it is about repetition. Why?

I believe it is because the rock in roll language is more masculine than the kind of language is in vogue today. In the past the rock in roll language was the expression of their time. Today, rock in roll language doesn't match with contemporary expression, language.

I will explain it better. The classic music is a effeminate expression and it represented the effeminate time it was in vogue. Not only in music but in literature, sculptures, paintings, etc.
Then, from classic music the expression followed the changes of society, technology and expression itself becoming more masculine, with folk music, jazz and then rock in roll.

Then, with pop music and electronic sounds slowly it become effeminate again. Not only in the music but in visual arts, literature and all kind of expression (even street art). And you might be asking what influenced it.
Well, it is very clear to me that the digital medium accommodates better the effeminate expression than the masculine one. This is the reason it looks to be.

Just compare digital tools and traditional. We live in a digital world. We see the world influenced by the digital language. We express ourselves through the digital tools and its language which is better expressed in a effeminate way.

So we can say rock in roll doesn't matches with contemporary vision of the world and expression. So, if it wants to be like in the past it will be old fashion, copy of the past, etc. The only solution is to adapt it to today's language like Radiohead, Coldplay and Belle and Sebastian have being done. Otherwise, if bands try to do both, like in the past with today's expression, the result will be a weird hermaphrodite child, like Metallica, Link Park and some other bands have being done. They sound as something out of place. Not there neither here.

Before you call me with ugly names, I want tell you that I don't think this constant transition is good or bad. It just is. And I think both masculine and feminine expression tendency, and medias potentialities of expression, have their positive aspects as well as their limitation.

It is just the reflection of our time. Or to be more precise, the influence of today's tools.

As Neil Postman used to say, technologies are the biggest ideologies of all.


http://www.marciofaustino.com/2/post/2013/10/feminization-of-artistic-expression-in-the-world-today.html



I am quoting this text becaise the mascule tendency is usually towards the abstract and the feminine towards mimesis (tendencies not rules).

 

Kelley Lee McDonald

7 Months Ago

Yes Philip.

 

Vale Tek

7 Months Ago



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Vale Tek

7 Months Ago



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7 Months Ago



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Billy East

7 Months Ago

If you don't control your mind someone else will.

The "Our Minds", collective concept in my opinion reeks of Socialism. There is no way a collective mind could ,(if such a mind actually existed) , experience another individual's experiences directly. Groups of individuals evolved as a means of protection in that there is safety in numbers and groups can also be predatory.Groups in conveying warnings through physical expression and special grunts gave human beings the capacity for speech.Yelling "Run", is far more effective than choreography or making marks in dirt. The fact that individuals within a specific group understand the vocal command" run", means the group share a common language not a common mind. Introduce an outsider to the group who is not familiar with the groups expression for "run ",and the outsider will have no idea what the command means.
In finding out if an artists mind is different we must first arrive at a commonality exhibited in all visual artistic works, or what are the basic characteristics of all visual art ?

 

Bob Galka

7 Months Ago



"In finding out if an artists mind is different we must first arrive at a commonality exhibited in all visual artistic works, or what are the basic characteristics of all visual art ?" -- Billy East

Yes.. this is covered in the link I posted above, but it is lost somewhere in the Big Skip. I will post it here again....

"Why is it that great works of art seem to have a universal appeal, transcending cultural and geographic boundaries? V.S. Ramachandran, director of UCSD's Center for Brain and Cognition has studied how the brain perceives works of art and thinks he may know the answer to this intriguing question."

http://www.uctv.tv/shows/40-40-Vision-Lecture-Neurology-and-the-Passion-for-Art-5224

"V.S. Ramachandran is Director of the Center for Brain and Cognition and Distinguished Professor with the Psychology Department and Neurosciences Program at the University of California, San Diego, and Adjunct Professor of Biology at the Salk Institute."

 

Billy East

7 Months Ago

great lecture Bob

 

Bob Galka

7 Months Ago

I like the part about the baby sea gulls having their own art gallery ;O)

 

Mary Ellen Anderson

7 Months Ago

Well I think a lot of artists get tripped up by their egos, and prima donna attitudes; but that doesn't have anything to do with seeing the same reality as everyone else.

Marcio,
It wasn't that some fella created a tool one day that made us badasses, it was that we got the idea to cooperate with each other. The difference between us and our ape cousins isn't the use of tools but that we use our big minds to cooperate instead of compete with each other. Ancient hunters simply ran animals to death. We evolved into upright to carry food and water, instead of strength and fearsomeness. Apes tend to use their brains to out compete and threaten each other.

So we are naturally evolved into finding cooperation, because it’s the basis of our strength. We’re social animals. (and yes I’m aware that we behave like apes way too much). We do see a different world than the animal world. Art has no meaning to non-humans. This natural connection that we share in art is a form of cooperation. You can put a painting of a steak in front of a dog and he might crew it up in boredom, but a person will actually have to physical reaction (hunger, salivate, disgust, etc). We all wired to agree it’s something other than canvas and paint. IMO it’s not that artist see a different reality, but that humans do. Artists (in any disciple) try and tap that.

Now different people are more observant than others. Their thoughts and visions can vary and all this leads to reality being what you perceive it to be. But communicating that perceived reality is based on the evolutionary cooperation ability that has occurred. It’s a mistake to believe that just because you’re a painter of visions means you’re visionary – lol. But that tends to be a lot of artists perceived reality.
--mary ellen anderson

 

Ryan Demaree

7 Months Ago

Art Prints

Reality is harsh.

 

Walter Holland

7 Months Ago

I have been following this thread (sporadically) for sometime now.

I see that many continue to repeat the ideas they have on the subject yet use different words to say the same thing.

“Is the artists mind naturally unrealistic”? ---From the OP.

I will use the same words I used on my only other post here, my little Rene Descartes joke notwithstanding.

“To ask such a question is an abstract concept. There is no concrete answer. No correct or incorrect answer. 

“One may spend days, weeks, years, decades, and even a lifetime contemplating reality. And to ask if one group or another sees reality in a different way than others certainly makes for interesting conversation. 

“Yet it is only conversation. An idea so vast will certainly garner opinions wide and different, and may be entertaining. Or not.”

With that said, I have found some of the comments here entertaining. And some not so much.

Please excuse me if I seem a kibitzer. Just waned to let everyone know I was still rather captivated by the question posed in the OP, and have enjoyed many of the comments.



 

John Crothers

7 Months Ago

I still maintain that reality is what it is.

Perception doesn't matter. Some perception of reality surely is correct, some is surely wrong. But it doesn't matter.

What our scientist or religious leaders or cult leaders or politicians or even our friends and family think doesn't matter to reality. It will be what it is with or without us.

Cut through all the talk, all the theories, all the BS. That is where reality lives.

It is probably very simple and black and white as well.

It is what it is.

 

Bob Galka

7 Months Ago

John.. I agree with you in that it is what it is...

I do disagree though with reality being simple ;O) Unless you define the..... umm lets say the "level" of reality. In other words the reality of our human experience of reality it different from the reality on the quantum level as well as the reality at a black hole. But at whatever level of reality we are speaking, yes it is what it is.

 

Marcio Faustino

7 Months Ago

I believe it has nothing to do with the mind be realistic or not. After all nobody has direct contact with reality. All that we experience from outside our body are actually interpretation from our senses, from what we see, what we hear, what we feel on our sking, what we smell and what we taste.

People has different nuances on this filtration and interpretation of information we constantly receive, some more and others less.

To understand it I strong recommend reading "The door of perception" wrote by Aldous Huxley.

So the answer is yeas. Artists have the tendency of have a certain difference of the worlds perception. But it doesn't mean he is special because we all are born with a wider perception and information reception from the world around, but while we grow up most people will close it down, because their perception becomes blocked by certain education and thoughts on perception, and among oder pre determinated avaliation, specially when their is convenience on perceive certain things the way we feel more confortable about our situation, reaction and judgements in our padronised paranoid over rushed society.

Anyway... if interested the book explain a lot more.

--Marcio Faustino--

 

Marcio Faustino

7 Months Ago

Mary Ellen Anderson,

What makes animals more competitive is their more competitive environment.
And what makes the environment more competitive is the fight for surviving. Is much easier to die in nature.
What makes our human society more survivable are tools, which give us more security from predators, deseases, guarantee of food, and so on. Humans are more competitive when they have to fight for food, protection, abuses, etc.

Animals are note more competitive than humans and humans are not more collaborators thans animals. It depends on which kind of animals and environment. A lot kind of animals society are much more cooperatives than humans like some dolphins, some kind of birds, elephants, even some kind of dogs, just to name a few.

So yeas, tools change our reality perception and we behave based on our reality perception.


--Marcio Faustino--

 

Billy East

7 Months Ago

Artists produce works of art.

In physics, a force is said to do work when it acts on a body, and there is a displacement of the point of application in the direction of the force.
The work done by a constant force of magnitude F on a point that moves a displacement (not distance) s in the direction of the force is the product,

W = Fs.
For example, if a force of 10 newtons (F = 10 N) acts along a point that travels 2 metres (s = 2 m), then it does the work W = (10 N)(2 m) = 20 N m = 20 J. This is approximately the work done lifting a 1 kg weight from ground to over a person's head against the force of gravity. Notice that the work is doubled either by lifting twice the weight the same distance or by lifting the same weight twice the distance

What is the work of art?

 

Marcio Faustino

7 Months Ago

Billy, the question on what is a work of art nobody can say but different periods and society have different concepts for it.

Talking about occidental art history...

Ancient Greeks didn't have this notion that just because it is a paint or a sculpture it is art. Art for them was everything done skilfully. Before theme the notion of art didn't existed. Paintings, sculptures, etc was just like any other hand work like bread, shoes or chair.

In the middle age dominated by catholic church art was what allow the divine experience. Anything a part that would be a corruption on people, thair soul and there for in art, like pagan images.

During Renaissance it was mostly what showed technical qualities towards reality and materialism. Influenced by a world that was become mencantilist, conquer other lands, trade with other land, even new religion or believes changed in favour of materialism.

In modernism everything becomes art. A water bottle is art if you say so.

And today many believe there is no more art. Because if everything is art so there is nothing to oppose to it, so art nullify itself. Also because today art doesn't predict, doesn't search for innovation, future or interpretation, it has become repetition and of past works and evidenciation of today's reality, or no more than just super-reality. It has no other characteristic become just like any other trade object in a aestheticised world.

I wrote about it recently: http://www.marciofaustino.com/2/post/2014/05/contemporary-art-has-lost-the-desire-of-illusion.html

 

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