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Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

The Worst Advice....

Giving advice, has become a hot item on faa of late.
Please leave legal and medical aside.
Let's stick to art...lots of us have received great advice...but what about the worst advice you ever got?
I know we will be flooded with family and friends who told us to give it up, but since you didn't, what other advice was just.....wrong?

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JC Findley

1 Year Ago

Family and freidns telling me that I SHOULD sell my art....

 

Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

well, gee, JC, I must agree with them!
::::ducking::::::::

 

Mike Savad

1 Year Ago

i don't know, i rarely listen to advice.


---Mike Savad

 

Tony Murray

1 Year Ago

'Many a teacher told me to: 'Try and stay inside the lines', which today, thankfully, I don't' (Murray)

 

Delete Delete

1 Year Ago

An absolutely pointless and insensitive thread, following a true cry for help just minutes ago. For those who want to stick to art, by all means do. But when a fellow artist cries out for help on an art forum, threads like this from people who just might have everything "together" are so uncalled for.


 

Joshua House

1 Year Ago

People who suggest other sites that are sadly not nearly as good as they think.

 

Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

Tony, that's one of my biggest peeves with classroom teachers...they don't understand how we, as artists need to be outside those lines!
Joshua,
good one!
Stephen,
you are way off base in your assumptions. We have been told by our moderators that legal and medical advice are not allowed. I am neither being insensitive or gloating about success. In the thread you are citing,I gave the man asking for help,some good advice, as highlighted by so many others who agreed.
This is a totally different topic.
So many of us wouldn't be still doing their art if we had listened to some bad advice.

If you need to criticize my intentions, please take it to a moderator and we will let them decide.


 

Delete Delete

1 Year Ago

Sorry Marlene, but when you start off the OP talking about giving advice on FAA being a "hot item" and following that up with talk of leaving medical and legal out of it, the wording and timing of it all are way off.

This may be a "new" topic and thread, but what got you thinking about it?

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That does not change the fact that I agreed with what you said in the other thread, nor that I also agree with the fact that "medical" advice should not be given. I am questioning the timing. It just sucks.

 

Louise Reeves

1 Year Ago

/picks the fly out of the peanut butter...

My worst advice came when I was still in high school and from my own father (a "hobby" artist): "Don't go to school for art. There's no money in it". 30 years later, I decided to ignore the advice and went to school. Dad later said it was one of the very few times he was glad he was wrong.

 

Roger Swezey

1 Year Ago

The worst advice I've gotten, and still get:

"Swezey, YOU'VE GOT TO GET SERIOUS!!!"

 

Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

Stephen,
I am not interested in belaboring your point.
You made it. I have assured you, it wasn't my intention and if the moderators choose to close this thread so be it.
You have a nice day.

 

Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

Louise, good for BOTH of you!
Mr Squeezey, Sir, you don't!!!

 

Melissa Bittinger

1 Year Ago

My worst advice was from a car salesman and my dad (also a car salesman) who decided to "drop by" the dealership I was truck shopping at. Now this was 1988, I'm 24, first time buying "new" by myself (at least that was my intention!) a vehicle and I'm excited about that fact. Here comes my dad, sigh, what can you do....Anyway, both my dad and the salesman assure me that I don't need air conditioning since the cab has a slide window there will be plenty of air flow....NO, that would be incorrect but too late for me as I bought the truck, also not realizing that just because it's a truck, does NOT mean it's front wheel or four wheel. What?!! Would have been perfect if it had air and I could have driven on bad roads... BAD advice!

 

MM Anderson

1 Year Ago

My Dad told me that it didn't matter what I majored in as long as I got my degree. He felt that most employers would be willing to train someone with a 4 year degree. Very wrong. I majored in art and have been underemployed ever since. I still don't know what I want to do when I grow up. :-(

 

Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

Thank you ladies!
My first car had no a/c/. The person who gave me the advice was never going to drive it, so what did he care? lol.
I got those college degrees too...but I had to get a teaching certificate as well, which was only two classes, as I recall...so that I could be a bonafide teacher of art...problem, was, I just couldn't teach 80 kids a week for very long.....

 

Yo Pedro

1 Year Ago

Marlene, this is a great thread.

Well intentioned advice always abounds, and so many a dream has been dashed on the rocks of despair because of the wrong path followed.
I took a fork in the road years ago on my photographic career path because of the advice of someone I respected. I did well, but it was never in my heart.

 

Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

ah, yes....good intentions!
always consider the source!

I recall my son's kindergarten teacher calling me to tell me he had gross motor skill issues since he couldn't color within the lines.
i told her to ask him to....problem solved!
same teacher then called to tell me he was too little to climb the jungle gym at school...i asked if he was trying and she said yes. i told her to let me know when he stopped trying.
a good lesson for all.

 

Jani Freimann

1 Year Ago

I ask for advice from many people than I glean the best of what each has said if it is glean-able.

My mom said I should have lots of kids because my kids come out so cute. She also said that I should have four kids just like everyone else in the family did. I didn't follow her advice on either. I had three. No more for me...oh, wait! That's not art related. Sorry. Unless you consider creating children an art. My mom sure thought it was.

I have trouble following instructions. Everything is an experiment. I don't follow rules or a recipe very well.

 

David Randall

1 Year Ago

The reason there a not more artists is they listened to the teacher who told them they have no talent or coloring in the lines was the only way. We learn to walk by falling down over and over until we don't anymore. Some have different talents or more than another but all have some kind of talent.

 

MM Anderson

1 Year Ago

I actually did do student teaching for art and my degree is in art education but I wasn't very good at it. My first car didn't have air conditioning either but it was a hand me down from my sister so I wouldn't have complained.

 

Jani Freimann

1 Year Ago

I can tell you that I frequently 'ford the river at the widest point'. Sometimes because someone said I couldn't do it. I say, "Oh, yes I can!" And then I do it. Afterward, I stick my tongue out at them, from across the river, then go look for new imaginary friends because I left the other ones behind in the 'I can't' world.

 

Blue Clown

1 Year Ago

I'll tell you what, I don't much concentrate on all of the bad advice I've gotten over the years. I claim it as my own when I've accepted it and fallen on my face, and forgotten about it if I rejected it. I have ignored advice for decades now. I only remember one piece of good advice and that was from my father. It was the only piece of good advice he ever gave me (he was a professional drunk). We were playing pool. I was a drunken lout of about 19 yrs. It my shot and I was taking my time lining it up and he told me "hesitate and you're lost". I never listened to my father about anything else, and I have long since learned that he who hesitates is lost is a very ancient proverb, but it still holds true.

 

Melissa Bittinger

1 Year Ago

Okay, this is supposed to be for the worst advice but I'd like to share good advice I've taken to heart since I heard it. My mom said the only thing she learned in college (music major) that stuck was a professor who stated that....."You have to adapt to survive".

That one line has stuck with me since I heard it because it is soooo true. Also I'm a pisces and we just swim around obstacles anyway, lol!!

 

Kelley Lee McDonald

1 Year Ago

Melissa, that was great, thank you for sharing it.

 

Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

just catching up here on the advice....

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Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

Walter, guess what you are now doing?
trolling.
check the forum rules.

 

Walter Holland

1 Year Ago

Sorry, Marlene. I believe if you would read my comments you would see that they are relevant to the thread.

As for you making accusations such as this? I believe it to be bad form.

Would you please do me the courtesy of addressing my remarks?

I will post my remarks once more:

'Please Marlene, for the benefit of others that may not have not seen how you addressed my remarks, would you be so kind as to post your comments here as well? 

'And which remarks did you address. I don't believe I made the following remarks on any other thread: 

'I wrote, “People LOVE to give advice. It is part of human nature. Just start a new endeavor and then tell someone about it. More often than not they will jump at the chance of giving advice.  

'“For me, I * usually * recognize very bad advice right away and disregard it. I do not dwell on it. I am usually able to forget it quite quickly.  

'“Therefore I don't have any bad advice stories to share.” 

'Sorry, I don't recall making this remark anywhere else. Please feel free to remind me where I said this elsewhere.'

 

Edward Fielding

1 Year Ago

Moving along...

Any consistency in the source of bad advice? Where does most of the bad advice come from teachers, friends, parents or complete strangers?
I've been trying to think of some bad advice I've gotten but I must give more than I receive. ;-)

 

Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

Ah, Edward...a great queston!!
I'd put most in two categories:
1. The ones close enough to feel they can say anything to you and sometimes, under the guise of knowing better or caring about your future ( trying to make it in this field)
2. The ones who do not know you, nor care, but feel qualified to judge, advise about not only your art, but everything else!

 

Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

I'm digging into my past for some bad advice...
In 1971, I was hired to teach art k-6 and write the curriculum for k-12 for a school system that had never had an art teacher. I was fresh out of 5 years of university, so I was about as excited as one could be who never wanted to teach art.
I was told that I had to give grades to 800 students that I saw for 45 minutes each week
I made my best argument against it to the superintendent and was finally "strongly advised" to give grades.
I took the advice and gave everyone an A.

 

Edward Fielding

1 Year Ago

I suppose bad advice can come from the closest sources who are trying to make you feel good. "That's a great idea about taking out a second mortgage to open a dog wash business. I sure you will make it back in no time." '-)

If you want a honest assessment you probably have to go to strangers. Of course then you have to look out for their angle on everything. Like a financial advisor who makes commissions recommending certain things.

 

Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

always consider the source!
There is no liability for most advice givers. Maybe we need tags with disclaimers pinned to our chests!
I'd venture a guess that many a friendship have broken up over bad advice given and taken.

 

Janine Riley

1 Year Ago

" Don't you worry your pretty little head over that ..." said most condescendingly to me of course.

It was over a real estate consideration. There was a pond in the community that was not completely fenced off, and the property I was looking at reached down to the water.
I had a 2 yr old at the time - & considered that to be a liability. If they were not concerned about an obvious safety hazard - what else were they not maintaining ?


2 weeks later on the news - I heard he was shot. Sleepy little towns - but he sure had a knack of peeving people off.



 

As far as I can see, Walter did make a disparaging remark about this thread but then followed on with an actual answer to the question raised.

As he was then brought up on it I can understand a query as to why but feel the thread does not need this continued. Walter did answer the question and perhaps that part could be addressed alone, ignoring the rest.

 

Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

Thanks for stopping by, Abbie....the queston was "what was the worst advice you ever got?"
And
Walter stated he didn't have any bad advice stories to share.

Hence, I have nothing to respond to.

 

Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

Worst advice..." you made your bed, now lie in it."
We all make mistakes. We all have the ability to change.
It's called living and growing.

 

Donna Proctor

1 Year Ago

Ok, I've been hesitant to reply in this thread because I searched my brain for bad advice I received as it relates to art. Couldn't locate any!

But, if we are talking about the worst advice, generally speaking - "You're crazy if you don't marry that man!" That was really bad advice!


--Donna Proctor

 

Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

take out the don't and it would have been the best advice...ahhh, the power of words!
tell me, how was your art during that marriage?

 

Donna Proctor

1 Year Ago

Non-existent. :( That would have been doing something purely for me!

 

Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

There ya go!
marry the guy; your creativity disappeared.

 

Patricia Strand

1 Year Ago

I attended an art class when I was six years old, because I envisioned myself as becoming a great artist one day (so full of myself at that age, lol). The teacher didn't like my perfect little clay dog and insisted I put sticks in it, or reform it into a "dog-cat-cow" or something more imaginative. I'm sure she was right, but you can't force creativity.

Marlene and Donna, don't get me started on ex stories!! Lol.

 

Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

I'm happy to get you started on exes....ya know why? The wrong partner and the wrong life situation hugely impacts our flow of creativity.so have at it , Pat!

 

Patricia Strand

1 Year Ago

Marlene, I started to take you up on that, but then I realized that it's all too personal. I'll just say that the worst advice I've ever gotten was from ex no. 1, and the worst advice I ever ignored was from ex no. 2. I am living a comfortable life now and making my own decisions. There is no number three, because like the saying goes, a girl needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle. Took me a looong time to learn that. Actually, I'm not that bitter (just trying to be funny). Being able to have time to oneself is the best way to foster one's creativity, and for now, I am enjoying that.

 

Walter Holland

1 Year Ago

Thank you, Abbie.

 

Harry Torque

1 Year Ago

Rule of thirds.

 

Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

Harry, thanks for joining in...I was wondering if the tried and true design rules would be coming up any time soon.
That said, I do believe you must learn them first before you opt to ignore them ;)

 

Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

Pat,
I understand completely ;)

I have a sister in law who used to tell me that I look better with more weight on me, but I think that was only so she'd look better next to me! lol

 

Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

There is a series of "they said" posters that I've seen on the internet.
They are so clever....all bad advice with a picture to match. Like a toddler who has marked up his baby sister's face with magic marker and is titled "Have some kids...it'll be fun!" they said.

This was the inspiration for this thread...I was showing them to a friend and then the conversation took a serious turn.

I have my own today....
"You'd look great as a redhead" they said.....
aaak!!!!

 

Patricia Strand

1 Year Ago

That is SO funny, Marlene! I'd love to see the rest of those "worst advice" posts. Thanks for the laugh. I think it cleared my sinus headache, thank goodness.

 

Janine Riley

1 Year Ago

ruh roh - what shade ?r

 

Marlene Burns

1 Year Ago

permanent black, of course!
here we go:
THEY SAID
just a few to whet your whistle

 

Walter Holland

1 Year Ago

“Rule of thirds.” --- Harry Torque.

Now here is a topic I can sink my teeth into. Actually I like to refer to the idea as the “Golden Mean” rather than some kind of “rule”. Yet most photographers/artists quickly recognize the term “the thirds rule” whereas the “Golden Mean” may be foreign to so many.

In this case I agree with Marlene. It is certainly helpful when one understands the concept before tinkering, breaking, or completing ignoring the concept.

Not long ago the group I administer ran a contest.

I suggested the contestants “center” the image while still making it appear interesting.

It may be of interest to some to view the results of the contest.

http://fineartamerica.com/contests/breaking-the-thirds-rule-.html?tab=overview

 

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