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Suzan Waldinger

4 Months Ago

Groups

What are the advantages to being a member of a group?
What are the advantages to creating your own group?
Thank you.

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Mike Savad

4 Months Ago

there are no advantages to creating your own group other than to have a pet to take care of. if you have any really odd image that you think needs a group of it's own then fine.

the advantages to groups, it allows more links internally, more chances at being seen by people, getting comments, views etc, and features - all help you in the search.


---Mike Savad

 

Joseph J Stevens

4 Months Ago

ditto to what Mike said above. In addition it puts you in touch with artists that may be of similar ilk or technique, or genre....gives you a chance to like/vote/fav others and vice versa, basically help each other..it can be an opportunity to make some artist friends..share some process..observe some process/techniques as well.

 

Connie Fox

4 Months Ago

I have several images in my shopping cart--both greeting cards and framed prints--that I'm planning to purchase. I would not have known of these had I not come across the artwork in a particular group. First I must absolutely love the artwork, but knowing the artist helps me feel extra-good about having the piece in my home. I do purchase and frame my own artwork, too, but not exclusively. I have a painting in mind and would like to buy the original. A new computer comes first, but perhaps this gives you an idea of how one member thinks. In my guestroom is a framed print that I bought from Steve Vecchiotti 20 minutes after it was first downloaded. He said it was his quickest sale ever. I knew it would be perfect in that room, and it is.

 

Mia Tavonatti

4 Months Ago

I have a profound respect for those who take on the task of managing a group. These are truly motivated souls and I appreciate the conversations I've had with several of them since I came to FAA only a month ago. I agree that getting your work featured increases the commentary and visibility,

 

Walter Holland

4 Months Ago

I will have to go look for a link and will be right back!

 

Patrick Jacquet

4 Months Ago

Connie, don't forget to include my portfolio in your shopping cart ! ;-)
Cheers !

 

Walter Holland

4 Months Ago

Let me tell you why I started my own group, Suzan.

When I joined FAA I began submitting images to many groups. One of the first things I did after joining a group was to click on the link for the administrator. In most cases I found some excellent work.

I found some very well run groups by some people that seemed intent on providing a valuable service to other members.

If groups had no value here, then FAA would not have established the ability for each and every member to start one.

And if groups here have value, then certainly managing a group must have at least some value. Right?

I have a feeling (no way to check) that I have gained as least as much exposure by administrating my own group as I have had by participating in the General Discussions page---THIS PAGE. :-)

And yet it can be a two edged sword.

Especially when one runs a group like I do. It is not easy to have an image accepted for my group, and even more difficult to have an image featured on the group homepage.

And yet I have been very careful to explain the criteria for the group both on the homepage, as well as in the topics on the discussion page.

And running a group is by no means an easy task. (At one time I had three groups. I had to drop one, and the other is for photographers---and only photographers---and is based on photography made only in South Carolina)

At any rate, I am confronted with decisions each and every day. I suppose my goal is to garner a reputation here of being a fair person. ?And a pretty good photographer.

Oh, but wait. I also make it a point NOT to post---let alone feature---ANY of my own images in the groups I run. I am confident if people---including any prospective buyers that stumble upon the group---want to see my work they will click on the link for the group administrator.


This is a quote from my favorite group of all!

“Groups are not just places to store work but a social area for members to meet like minded people and to hold events and discussions among themselves. 

“A LOT of groups have just been closed due to administrator inactivity. We would like to make sure that all group admins understand what they are taking on when they look after a group. It is a responsibility some people are not prepared for.”

http://fineartamerica.com/groups/group-and-contest-administrators.html

(Thank you, Abbie!)

Suzan, if you are considering starting a group I would advise you to have a good look at Abbie's group for group administrators.




 

Walter Holland

4 Months Ago

I agree, Mia. Thank you for that.

Mike Savad wrote, “there are no advantages to creating your own group other than to have a pet to take care of.”

And yet---correct me if I am wrong, Mike---Mike is a member of hundreds and hundreds of groups.

If all FAA members were of this attitude then there wouldn't be hundreds and hundreds of groups that Mike, and Steven could join.

Of course each member is open to making their own discussions and it is certainly NOT obligatory. But to say outright that there are no advantages to starting a group? Sorry, but I find that to be a very narrow view.

 

Mike said there are no advantages to creating your own group other than to have a pet to take care of.

Yes, Mike is a MEMBER of hundreds of groups. he is not the creator of any of them

Many of us are not scared by a bit of administration.. in Mike's case he just does not have the time :)

 

Mike Savad

4 Months Ago

as said, running a group is like taking care of a pet, you want one to look at, but not take care of. and many create dozens of groups, they have time for it. being a member of that many groups is nothing more than checking off a box. it needs no maintenance. ideally though many of the groups repeat, and some are so isolated i don't see why there would ever be a group. it's not a narrow view, it's a realistic view.

a new person all happy, creates a new group. they say upload how ever many images you want, but it has to be about tomatoes. well their group is flooded not just with that subject but everything related, not related, and not even close to related. and in order to be a good group you need to filter it. that takes time, to go through 1000's of images that came yesterday, while your hounded by people - why isn't my thing showing yet? why am i not being featured yet? are you even alive?

so they create a new rule - 3 a day. sometimes that works and it sticks, sometimes it doesn't, i'm not sure how that works now. and now they have to eliminate the other entries to keep to to 3.

there are some groups that are emailing us back stating they don't have the time to remove the 50,000 image backlog because the group got away from them. i'm happy many have the time and energy to make these groups. on the other hand, so many are ignored or abandoned. or have a topic so remote they complain no one is uploading anything. then i think there is an internal race to be a popular group which has certain requirements as well.


---Mike Savad

 

Suzan Waldinger

4 Months Ago

Thank you my fellow artists for your helpful info. I am going to join a couple and start my own. I prefer virtual pets ;)

 

Mike Savad

4 Months Ago

ok, just be sure to clean up after them. many leave it and it gets very messy in no time.

---Mike Savad

 

Walter Holland

4 Months Ago

Question, Mike. Have you ever created a group. If not how do you know so much about what an admin faces each day?

Suzan, I look forward to seeing your group.

 

Mike Savad

4 Months Ago

walter why do you always have so many questions from the people who commented?

no i have not created a group, i can think far enough ahead to know how much work is involved. i also know what they go through because of the constant complaints on both ends of the forums. people putting work want it there NOW. then complain like the op has nothing better to do than to serve them. i get plenty of mail watching a break down in progress. one person expects us to remove images, she has a backlog of 16,000.


presently i'm in 967 groups, i know a thing or two of what happens behind the scenes through cross talk. while that amount seems high - i've been on probably close to 2000 groups since i started here. but many were created and ignored, and then erased. i have yet to break 1000 because there is always a group gutting and i lose groups.


---Mike Savad

 

Walter Holland

4 Months Ago

Thanks for the input, Mike. Sorry you are so concerned with my questions.

Yet that is a FAR stretch to use the word always.... LOL.

Aren't you glad for all those people creating those groups you are able to join?

 

Ok, I see what is happening and let's stop before it starts.

Let's move on to other people now and other view points

 

Mike Savad

4 Months Ago

i don't know if glad is a word i'd use. the group is just another link that happens to match an image. each item may have 12 complimentary groups. one goes 3 more pops up. if we didn't have them, then oh well.


---Mike Savad

 

Mike Savad

4 Months Ago

of course though, many don't upkeep them and so i'm adding to groups that no one will ever see. there could be over a 100 clicks i make that won't ever be seen. that's why if you want the cute little pig, you have to take care of it when it's a huge sow.


---Mike Savad

 

Frank J Casella

4 Months Ago

Suzan -- Before you start a new group you might want to see from Abbie what groups are looking for an Amin.

This is what happened with my group. I now have an established group that I don't have to build up but make better - add my creative touch to that of my predecessors.

One of those is developing an outside marketing program to be the household name online for our market niche. I feel the groups have more potential than just internal ranking.

I encourage you to ask questions of group Admin. that you join before you start your own .... learn from them as I have.

This is a very informative thread, Suzan, thanks for posting it.

 

Frank J Casella

4 Months Ago

( Trigger finger ) -- Thank you Mia for your kind words. Well said, and I agree !!

 

Walter Holland

4 Months Ago

I too look forward to others delineating the advantages of managing a group.

 

Suzan Waldinger

4 Months Ago

Good suggestions Frank. I will do that. What is your group btw. I wouldn't have even thought groups would be looking for an admin until you mentioned it. Obviously, I need to spend more time fishing around here.

Thank you everyone!

 

Frank J Casella

4 Months Ago

Here is my group Suzanne: http://pixels.com/groups/catholic-art-gallery.html

Let me know if you have questions about group Admin. ... I'm still learning but I'll tell you what I know, maybe we'll learn together something new.

 

Maggie Vlazny

4 Months Ago

I'm glad you started this discussion, Suzan. I've always had an interest in administering a group, and wondered about the pro's and cons. Thank you.

 

Maggie Vlazny

4 Months Ago

I'm glad you started this discussion, Suzan. I've always had an interest in administering a group, and wondered about the pro's and cons. Thank you.

 

Suzan Waldinger

4 Months Ago

@MIke, I'm curious to know why you are in so many groups. How do you have time to contribute as a member to all of them? Is is just that you post photos on them and that's the end or is there more to it?
Thank you.

 

Patricia Strand

4 Months Ago

Thanks for opening up this discussion about Groups, Suzan! Group administrators generously give of their time, and they are greatly appreciated!! I'm sure if you started a group, you'd do a smashing job. It's fun to be a part of them and to see other artworks and meet the members.

My biggest concern is probably not shared by others, but all the "thank-you" posts clutter up my group page, so I miss more important and relevant discussions. Some admins are creating a single "thank-you" thread, and that is very much appreciated. I've seen groups I'd love to join, but I don't because I don't want to end up with pages and pages of thank-yous to wade through.

I enjoyed reading your bio, by the way!

 

Mike Savad

4 Months Ago

i post photos and that's it. they are container and nothing more. each one is a link and potential set of eyes.


---Mike Savad

 

Vasil, I have removed your post from this discussion as it was not related to the topic at all

We also do not discuss other sites here. If you would like to learn more about that site I suggest joining it and asking there

 

Walter Holland

4 Months Ago

“My biggest concern is probably not shared by others, but all the "thank-you" posts clutter up my group page, so I miss more important and relevant discussions.”

I agree, Patricia. One of the first things I did when forming my group was to establish a specific thread on the discussion page for “thank you” messages.

 

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