Twitter V Facebook Reach

Hi David,
I'm glad to hear this about Twitter. I just opened my twitter account and thus far, cannot get my Twitter to FB and FB to Twitter apps to connect to my Fan Page. So thanks for the encouragement about Twitter. I'll look you up!
Kate

Kate,

If you post your profile link to Twitter here I will follow you, but other wise I automate my Twitter process and
people following when I get the email by the score I simply assume I have followed first. I do not open follow
emails.

I'd be happy to follow you. So post your profile link.

Dave

retweets usually are used to collect new followers, it really isn't an advertisement for you, i simply ignore them. how many pay attention to the feed is unknown. twitter isn't for now, it's for later. if you build up a gallery and hash tag well, you will still get people finding you months down the road.

where as facebook, if your lucky, someone might see it. they won't always like it, you won't know how many really saw it, and no one will be looking for it down the road. google might collect it, if your settings are set to public. only friends see the image unless you can engage conversation, then others may see it.

in any case i send it to all 3 places anyway because some people love facebook and live there, and same goes for the other places. i don't even care about reach and don't pay attention to retweets and such.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Mike,

You are only half right about the RTs and feeds. No one knows how many people read the feeds. So on that you are right.

RTs do one more powerful thing. RTs end up on people's profile pages. As over the months to come as people meet each
other and explore each other's profiles the RTs are there. Not just there, but in fact far more organized and permanent than on the feed.

The feed is just a moment in time. The profiles disseminate information and images over much longer periods of time.
Some folks who RT are extremely active so they may bury my work, but they also introduce my work to far more people in the
first few weeks. Others who have far more common activity levels will leave my work in a place where it is seen for months to come.

The feed is fleeting by its nature. The profile is not fleeting.

I send my images all over as well for the same reasons.

Dave

Oh and Mike, I do not add many Tweets. I keep my tweet count very limited. This means that my images
can be RT'ed weeks and months from now. I do not bury my images under my own tweets later on.

I have images from a couple of months ago collecting RTs into the 40s area now today. RT's do not have to show up the moment
you post something. There is no rule saying all RTs have to be instant.

Stretching out time on Twitter is the goal.

https://twitter.com/DavidBridburg

Dave

David and Mike,
Thanks for all the newbie counsel you give. I'm very new at this but committed. Here's my profile link: https://twitter.com/KatesBranch
Kate

Mike RT number 18 in less than 12 hours.

* Kristy @Kristy
To 6589 followers.

I took out the last name. This is common for my RT's.

You might say those are 6589 people who wont be back. LOL

But she is very active. So in the next couple of weeks perhaps hundreds of people will
see and often skip over my work. LOL Better than nothing.

A few will see the work and like it. That is the whole point.

If I only put up a link not many folks will RT only a link and no one on anyone else's profile will
RT or click on a link only. The images have to sell themselves. All of these RT'ed images link
directly back to FAA.

Dave

Kate happily followed.

Dave

i do 3 tweets a day more if i sell. bots retweet many things. limit the amount of tweets, limit who see's you. but spam them and they drop you. thing is - all those retweets - did they make a sale? did they drive traffic to your store?

i'm much more interested in people favoriting the tweet, because that's often a sale, and i get many of those.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Mike,

I follow 860 different accounts per day. I have an app. I am seen by about 180-250 people per day who ALSO follow me.
I get something north of 100 views over here out of that. The number of views from that is always changing.

Bots do not RT. Bots put you in searches which is similar. I get the bots because I gain followers. It works with
that as well.

How do you know a favorite is a sale? On some pieces I am going over 40 favorites per piece. Should I value that more?
And what are the ins and outs of favorites? I have not thought it over.

Dave

so basically your playing a game, and so are they. the fact you need an app at all to follow these - means they are doing the same thing. unless you are looking at each tweet or retweet that your are sending from them - they are probably ignoring the feed like your ignoring theirs.

see twitter is nothing but a big game. if you buy followers, you will get useless people. non specific people. using apps to pretend to like people gets old fast and won't help you to sell. the more you retweet other works and other people the more your brand is washed away. bots retweet all the time. they are programmed to look for certain tags and then they retweet them. each and every time. you don't even have to be friends with it.

i watch people in my mail box. i see they fav'd a certain piece, i often get a sale a few days after that. people favorite things because they like it and or they want to buy it. if your just adding things to favorites because you think you'll get sales that way - it doesn't work like that. people like things, so they keep them aside, then they buy it. its no more complex than that. favoring your own tweets won't help you to sell either.

twitter is easy - #cops - and you get police following you. #freakshow and you get weirdo's following you. if you sell that kind of work, they may be interested. it's pretty easy. the numbers are not important. your better off churning out as much original work as you possibly can. because no amounts of fancy tweet work will help you sell if you don't have things people want. and that's just how it is.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Mike,

Are you suggesting that Twitter needs to start taking Prozac? You know the coders and all?
Very depressing stuff.

Dave

i don't get the reference.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Well other than your self everything is a failure. So by extension Twitter is a failure.
Very depressing for those who are new to this.

Dave

Mike,

Sorry about the wise arsing. I actually rewrote my profile blurb. You have been a huge help.

My art is the latest form of #digital #fineart. I make #prints for #collectors #arthistorians #historians #interiordesigner #home #office

Smart, thanks

Dave


https://twitter.com/DavidBridburg

who says twitter is a failure. i already told you i've sold things from there. what's a failure is treating tweets, retweets and followers as something you would put on a flow chart.

tweeting won't get you sales. it will only expose you to potential people that might want something. but you still need the goods to offer. you can't buy followers, or you'll only get dregs. you have to follow them bit by bit getting only quality people. software used to game the system won't help a lot.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Mike,

I see the system as humans making systems to sell things. To promote work. To promote trade.
To work together. To make things work in general.

You open a door, look inside and see how to operate whatever it is.

An older friend who owns a large parking lot and auto shop has never done well.
He put his shop up for sale, but his real estate agent keeps coming up with ways for him
to make money from the system. He has never heard of all of these ways of making money
For instance he can use his parking lot for 8 small locally owned shuttle buses. Rent for the buses
is $3000 per month. He was astonished to find this out. His lot is 50 spaces.

Repeat open door and see what is inside. The system is meant to be operated. This thread makes
only one claim Twitter has far, and I mean far, more reach, than FB. And for free.

I have property for sale. You do it your way and I will do it my way. Take what you want and leave the rest.

Thanks though because I like your ideas on how to write my profile blurb.
Dave

except that he owns that parking lot, and twitter is more of an announcement board you would see at a pool. there are lots of ways to make money, however you have to have a product first.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

I love twitter, get alot of exposure on there

twitter@covinophoto

Instagram out performs both. Greetings, Juergen

This post has made my head spin... I think I need to go take some Advil! LOL

Yeah facebook is disappointing. It really is ridiculous how they cut your audience to a fraction of a splinter of a shadow of a reflection of a vapor of its actual size. And you're right the whole boost thing is just ridiculous.

Maxwell,

It has been reported that FB throttles your reach to 17% of your potential. Whatever that is, it aint much.

The boost stuff is actually fraudulent. Most likes etc come from third world sweatshops. Something like a penny or so per
click on different like buttons. Then your reach is diluted even more....you start to chase your tail for reach and likes. FB keeps advertising
more boosting opportunities.

I have not paid FB ever. But the reports on this are quite clear. Major news organizations have documented this stuff.

Dave

Here's what Jon Loomer has to say about claims of Facebook fraud for boosting ads: http://www.jonloomer.com/2014/02/11/facebook-fraud-response/

Suzanne,

He is a guru. I personally dont follow gurus.

I see how home spun his style is, but it is a lot of good ol' boy till someone gets taken stuff.

I dont see for one moment after going over his materials why I would trust anything on that link.

As mi Irish mom would say, "a fool and his money are easily parted".

FB's reputation proceeds it. Just the way it is. It is nothing different just because a guy acting like a country
red neck says life is good.

I also read that guy's about section. He never got to the point. He does pull plenty of heart strings. Cheesy.

Dave

I just think its kinda whack that I have to pay to make it so a portion, not even all of them, a portion of my audience who already liked my page can see my posts. Not even considering facebook ads for likes or targeting certain customers, just the idea that we only make it into a fraction of our actual audience's news feed if we pay for it is preposterous. Its atleast preposterous compared to how other social media sites seem to work.

SM is a market place. Either we as individual artists get a lot for very little or we get taken.

We have choices. We have every right to take the free sources of broadcast over the paid self serving rubbish.

We are offering content in a world where most people can not contribute content.

I know most of us see artists everywhere. It is a bit shocking. I can no longer escape artists on a daily basis. Before
last September I did not know on a monthly basis any artists.

Most folks who are not artists are not involved in discussions with artists even on a monthly basis. We provide free
content on SM. Paying to have reach is a crime. It makes no sense.

To prove it please if any of you have on a consistent basis paid for reach on any SM let us know how it has turned out for you.

I have never seen a success story in this forum concerning paid SM.

Dave

Maxwell,

Note my question, has anyone here ever consistently paid for SM and what were the results?

No one here will say it went well. There are no paying SM users here who have ever reported back that it went well. None.

Wait and see. Remember we can check out profiles etc.

Dave

(This comment wasn't supposed to exist, idk how to delete them)

I'm curious to why tweets are favorited, what can that lead to? I'm www.twitter.com/stevenralser
Is ether some automated way to retweet who you want to retweet over the mass of other stuff that comes through? I'm still new to all this sm stuff.

it depends who does the favoriting. if i post a doctor image, and a doctor adds it to the fav's, then often they buy it. if a member does that here, or it's doesn't match - then it's a no sale usually. i think many do this to gain followers. - that person retweeted me, they must like me, must follow them. when they had no intention of following back. there are ways to retweet based off of hashtags used. like if i put down #redsox, a redsox bot might retweet it. but it's random sometimes.

ideally it's best not to retweet stuff (unless it's mine), because otherwise it will confuse your brand. there are some people, that's all they do. and when they push their own things, it's washed away with all the other non related products.


---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

It may be different for other people but my experience has been that I get lots and lots of bots from twitter and very few actual human clicks on my sites. From my data on my personal site and artist website/google analytics, hardly any referral traffic from twitter. I get plenty of RT's and favorites on twitter but hardly ever anyone clicking on the links of my tweets.

Perhaps I'm doing something wrong on twitter. I get most referrals from Facebook, LinkedIn and G+ and Google organic, blogger, etc.

Dave Gordon
http://dgportfolio.net

So far all I'm seeing are what I assume are bots, I've been at this less than a week though. I'm not sure how important it is that live people click on the links in your tweets though, if the bots are seeing your tweets and indexing the links in them that helps in search rankings right? Is that really the main purpose to tweeting?

google does look into your social side now, so it does help you a bit. the first 30-40 hits after a tweet are all bots. some do click on the link, but i have no stats so i can't tell if that's where they came from. i only know it's working because some do compliment and others do favorite then buy it. your just trying to build up your work. but be sure you have followers, or not many will ever see it.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com

Mike,

I had not put two and two together when it came to favorites. I had not seen favorite as a way of stashing a way
a future image to possibly buy. Very interesting. I get bucket loads of favorites that I thought were something along the lines
of a like button. Favorites are much more than a like.

As far as clicks on links. If you follow people who are into the arts they will click on links a lot. But because they are
into the arts they can often have a house full of prints. If you follow people who have other interests you get less
activity, but you get a fresh audience. Yes there can be an overlap, but it depends on what you follow.

Dave

there are no like buttons, and you would have to go out of your way to fav something there. since the link is stored away, unlike likes, which you will never know what you liked along the way.

i don't need a fresh audience of other artists. i only buyers looking at it. potentials that need some kind of art. i don't need random clicks. and i don't think that people that advertise there, and sell the same product - will be clicking on anyone's link.

---Mike Savad
MikeSavad.com


EDIT because you felt you needed the last word and closed it....

following artists is really a waste of time. they won't buy your work. and seeing what they are up to is also a waste of time. you might get a click, but a view isn't a sale, and more clicks won't get you sales.

Mike,

Artists are constantly seeing what the next guy is up to. If you follow artists you will get far more clicks.Worthless clicks, but far more
of them. Curiosity killed the cat.

I agree with all you are saying,. It just is what it is. Thanks,

Dave