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Murray Bloom

2 Years Ago

Finally, The D800

Nikon has finally announced the camera I've been waiting two years for, and it appears even better than the rumors. 36 megapixels, full frame, $3,000. There's also a variant with the anti-aliasing filter removed, the D800E, which promises even better resolution. I'm elated, although it will be several months until I've got the money saved.

http://www.nikonusa.com/Nikon-Products/Product/Digital-SLR-Cameras/25480/D800.html

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Gregory Scott

2 Years Ago

Wow. That might make me switch brands!

 

Murray Bloom

2 Years Ago

It's been a painful wait. The camera was delayed a year by the Tsunami.

 

Gregory Scott

2 Years Ago

Any idea how long it will take to actually get one? Are they in stock anywhere?

 

Wibada Photo

2 Years Ago

Hmmm, I've been watching you watch this. You know, I'm still battling with Sony waiting for my refund?! I want a second camera!!! My problem is the cost of lenses, too. I'd love to have the new Nikon and a 200-400 f/4. How do I start raising money for that? Phone sex, maybe?

 

Murray Bloom

2 Years Ago

There are no user comments on their site yet and they speak of having to get them into our hands, so I assume that they're just beginning to ship. Both Nikon and Canon have had issues with the initial release of new models, so I'm inclined to let them work out any 'bugs' as I save my money. I'm also hoping that in several months' time, they may have some kit deals, since I'll also need to replace two of my DX lenses which won't cover the full frame. I plan on swapping the 12-24mm f4 toward the 14-24mm, and will have to replace the 17-55mm f2.8 zoom with the 24-70mm. Fortunately, my glass is in great shape and has held its value.

 

Murray Bloom

2 Years Ago

Lynda, I was thinking of clever things to say to that, but decided it wasn't worth the risk. LOL

 

John Knapko

2 Years Ago

That's a great camera Murray! Wow. The price of my prints on FAA just went up to $3,000 each. Any takers? LOL

 

Tezz J

2 Years Ago

Wow - that's a real beauty...worth waiting for.............

Murray - I'm not a photographer, but want to start using my camera more.....is it ok to ask you a basic question here?

I have a Nikon D3000 - is it an ok camera for a beginner, and also...I'm fascinated by macro work.....could you suggest an inexpensive lens....

Thanks ever so..........

 

Wibada Photo

2 Years Ago

John's got the right idea, just sell one or two prints and, voila! a new camera :-)

Yeah, Murr, that phone sex bit is a good one, huh?!

How do you think this D800 will compare to the D3x, say for sports and wildlife?

 

Gregory Scott

2 Years Ago

Tezz, I've read that for real extreme magnification on macro photography, that you can put a normal lens backward on front of your regular lens. Not kidding. I don't know how well this works in practice, and I've never seen the necessary adapter. Info, anyone?

I have a Canon 100mm f2.8 non-stabilized macro lens. It's my best lens. I love it! It's not super-close up, but you can do ants with it fairly well, if they're big ants.

 

Murray Bloom

2 Years Ago

Tezz, if you already have the D3000, it will do fine, but if you're considering buying one, look at the D3100. It has some generational improvements for not a lot more money.

Lynda, I'd take the D800 over any of the D3 variants. More pixels, and the D3's advantages (like a higher burst rate) make no difference to me. At 4/second, the D800 will be fast enough for anything I'll ever shoot. The D3 also has an advantage in very, very low light, but that's something else I don't care a lot about. Digital cameras are so much better in low light than what I started out with that I'm pleased with what most good DSLRs will do. Did I mention that the D800 is about half the cost of a D3?

 

Murray Bloom

2 Years Ago

It's an old trick, Greg. You need what's called a reversing ring, which has a bayonet mount on one side and filter thread on the other. You put either extension tubes or a bellows between camera and lens, and focus by moving the camera back and forth; which means you should also have a focusing rail if you use the tubes.

 

Tony Marquez

2 Years Ago

I've been eyeing this too. Being a bit of an old school type of guy, I'm not crazy about having video installes on a still camera besides making it pricy, I feel it cheapens the camera. Nice camera but overall, I'll wait until the generation gets refine.

http://www.dpreview.com/news/2012/02/07/Nikon_D800_D800E_launch

 

Steven Richardson

2 Years Ago

It's on my purchase list.. Just wondering how long it will take for it to finally be available. Seems like they are still struggling to meet the demand for the body only purchases of the D7000. I hope this one will be more readily available.

 

David Lane

2 Years Ago

Looking for big banks to make a midnight withdrawal, maybe I should get a .gulp! Job!

 

Balanced Art

2 Years Ago

wow 36 MP I have not been keeping up with what Nikon was doing, I hope you get it sooner than you think Murray

 

Pauline Ross

2 Years Ago

wow now you can print billboards of art! haha

 

Angelina Vick

2 Years Ago

36MP?

I wonder how big is too big?

I am nowhere near making that big of an investment on a body alone, but I look forward to hearing your experience with it once you get it. =)

 

Pauline Ross

2 Years Ago

Sounds like its comparable to a Hassenblatt from the old days. Very expensive, but oh what incredible images. Right Murry?

 

Peter Chilelli

2 Years Ago

I could afford the strap for it....hey, it's a start! ;c)

 
 

Gregory Scott

2 Years Ago

I can't afford it either. But now that I can draw down my 401k, why not squander my retirement?

 

Stephen Campbell

2 Years Ago

@ Murray, we haven't seen any at our shop in Vegas yet, but it it will no doubt be buggy for about the first year, wise choice to wait. Also sold a 14-24 used yesterday used,pristine for 1500.00, when your ready for glass let me know as we get quite a lot of it coming through the store!

 

JC Findley

2 Years Ago

NICE.... Luckily I do not have so much glass I cannot change brands.......

But will wait and see how the 5DMKIII compares.... It had better be close.

JC

 

Murray Bloom

2 Years Ago

Interesting comments. Good news, Peter, the strap is free when you buy the camera.

Pauline, actually you'd need about 60mp to equal medium format film, but 36 will do it for me. Medium format digitals are still insanely expensive.

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Murray Bloom

2 Years Ago

Sandi, even better is the D800E option with the AA (anti-aliasing) filter removed. It should be even sharper. Apparently, moire and other interference patterns won't be much of a problem with the new pixel arrangement. The "E" model will be priced $200 higher.

 

Rich Franco

2 Years Ago

Murray,

"No. I don't believe that any DSLR is as good a video platform as a dedicated cinema or video camera"

How can you explain that MAJOR feature films are being shot with the Canon system? And the new c300 will chase the "red"system, all over Hollywood!

Glad you liked my little Youtube film, shot on the Canon 5d, by the way!

Rich

 

Sandra Bronstein

2 Years Ago

Yes Murray - the E is definately the way to go! Haven't made a final decision yet but the numbers and the comparisons sure look good!

 

Lara Ellis

2 Years Ago

As soon as I win the lottery it and a new server to hold all those ginormous photos are mine! Lol. :-) In the mean time I'll be playing with my new teleconverter as soon as the clouds part tomorrow and the birdies come back ;-)

 

JC Findley

2 Years Ago

Cropping options are HUGE with a 36 MP sensor..... Think of the reach you would have with a 700 or 800 mm lens and the ability to crop it in half and STILL have a huge file..... Basically giving you LONG LONG reach.......

 

Lara Ellis

2 Years Ago

Please excuse me while I wipe of the drool Lol! ;-)

 

Peter Chilelli

2 Years Ago

I know most of us don't care if our DSLR's shoot video(including me) but here is a link to a sit down with the major directors/film makers that have used them, and how Hollywood is changing beceause of the new technology. Warning, it's long, but they are all interesting speakers.

http://blog.vincentlaforet.com/2012/01/30/video-how-technology-is-influencing-storytelling-film/

-Peter

 

Murray Bloom

2 Years Ago

Okay, Rich, this is the last I'll say regarding the video issue. I'll agree to disagree about whether Canon DSLRs will become the premier cinema camera of the new century. I'm not sure why you're so hot to push the matter, though.

You have to remember that Canon's cameras are limited to HD video. RED's cameras shoot in a native cinema format (several, actually). Their cameras have already pretty much vanquished several major players (like SONY) from digital cinema. Here's the recent RED portfolio, which includes over fifty feature films, including some blockbusters :

http://www.red.com/experience

 

Rich Franco

2 Years Ago

Done!

Rich

 

Wibada Photo

2 Years Ago

I've been away from the board for a while (busy, busy, busy with my new camera). Did you get the D800, Murray?

 

Murray Bloom

2 Years Ago

No, not yet. Probably not until the fall. I also want to check on the availability of the D800E.

 

Judy Kay

2 Years Ago

Sounds like a great camera!

 

Wibada Photo

2 Years Ago

Oh, yeah, I forgot about the "E" version. Don't blame you for waiting.

 

Zeana Romanovna

2 Years Ago

>>>Mouth watering :)

 

Sandra Bronstein

2 Years Ago

Looks like the D800 and the D800E will be shipping early May. There have been far less orders for the D800E so it may take a bit longer.

 

Murray Bloom

2 Years Ago

The timing works for me. I want them to get a few out into the field first, just in case there are any 'bugs' to be worked out.

 

Angelina Vick

2 Years Ago

I'm drooling as well. But...that much of a camera doesn't help me if I cannot properly use the one I have.

I'm sure down the road, once I have a handle on this one...I will want something better...but I am satisfied for now.

Do all nikon lenses fit to nikon bodies?

 

Rich Franco

2 Years Ago

Angelina,

You hit the "nail on the head"! There are many things our cameras can do and sometimes beyond our needs. But we have to learn the basics and use our cameras to the fullest. Getting a better camera doesn't mean we create better images, unless we understand what the camera can do. This may be a great camera, but if the people that purchase this, don't know how to use it, to it's fullest extent, then it's a wrong decision.

Rich

 

Murray Bloom

2 Years Ago

Angel, I agree with Rich. In a practical sense, this may be too much camera for many people. Why pay three thousand dollars or more for a camera body with features and capabilities you may not need or use? Sure, you can "grow into" it, but it could be wiser to invest that money in a couple of pro lenses and some useful accessories. The quality of the glass is usually the largest factor when it comes to image quality. There's only one reason that I'm going to buy it, and that's the 36 megapixel sensor. Not that I need that many pixels for every shot. I don't. But the larger size allows more cropping in post-production and higher resolution when I want it, as well as larger image (print) sizes. Other than that, the camera is very similar to the D700 (full frame FX) and the D300 series (APS-C sensor).

To answer your question, all Nikon lenses with built-in focusing motors (designated AF-S on the lens) will work with any modern Nikon SLR body. The only lenses that won't work on all camera bodies are the AF lenses that rely on the camera body having a focusing motor. These are generally Nikon's Pro bodies (D3 and D2 families), their semi-pro cameras (D800, D700, D300, D200, etc.; and also older dSLRs like the D100 and D70. Any model whose four digit number ends in "00" or "000" (D5100, D3000, etc.) doesn't have the focusing motor and thus is limited to AF-S lenses.

However, when I say they won't work, what I mean is that they will not autofocus. You can still use the newer lenses on virtually any Nikon SLR built since the 1960s but you will have to focus manually, and in some cases (with the oldest bodies like the F, F2, Nikkormat, etc.) you'll have to use the stop-down method for exposure metering. Older lenses work on newer cameras, too, but often with reduced functionality.

Interestingly, Nikon made a wrong turn when they introduced the F3, which was their first attempt at autofocus. F3 autofocus lenses are the only blemish in their otherwise virtually 100% lens/body compatibility; which, remarkably, spans nearly fifty years.

 

Sandra Bronstein

2 Years Ago

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Sandra Bronstein

2 Years Ago

Murray and I posted same time with same info - never mind! :-)

 

Murray Bloom

2 Years Ago

No, I posted seven minutes sooner. :-p

Thanks for contributing, Sandi. You should have left your post, though. Why not put it back?

 

Angelina Vick

2 Years Ago

Thanks Rich...

And Thanks for explanation Murray...=) The lens I currently have is AF-S. I will look out that I buy lenses in the future the same way.

I would have liked to see what you said Sandra.

 

Rich Franco

2 Years Ago

Angelina,

And about lenses, they don't have to be Nikon or Canon, if that's the body you have. There are many great lens makers out there, Tamron,Sigma and Tokina, to name a few. Years ago, when I was shooting Nikon and it was all film then, I had a ton of Nikon lenses and 2-3 bodies. My favorite lens was this monster 300, F2.8 lens. One day, an assistant brought in a new lens that she bought and it was a Tokina AT-X 300mm F4 lens, about 1/4 the cost of my giant lens. So we did a film test, with the best B&W film we had in the studio, put both cameras on the same tripod, same shutter speed and F-stop and I think we shot the best around F8 to F11. We developed the film, dried it and threw it on the light table. The Tokina was sharper than my Nikon!

So the point is, sure if you have the budget, buy the name brand lenses, but if you don't have the money for these big,expensive lenses, from the camera manufacturers, then look at the other lens makers out there,

Rich

 

Murray Bloom

2 Years Ago

What Rich has said is true, to a point. However, I'm one of those who believe that, generally, the camera companies' lenses are superior to "off brand" or "third party" lenses. Sure, Sigma, Tamron, Tokina and the rest sometimes make some pretty good glass, but nearly all the lens complaints I've seen or heard over the years have been about lenses from the "second tier' producers. Sure, there is a premium paid for the best optics (priced any Zeiss lenses lately?); but more often than not, you do get what you pay for.

 

Angelina Vick

2 Years Ago

Thanks for the feedback about lenses Rich. I do not have "the budget" to buy a lot of lenses...however I feel a bit leery about purchasing off brands because of concerns of quality. Off brand frequently means less quality...across the board. I have only purchased one extra lens that didn't come with my camera body, Nikkor 18-200...it's a great lens and I am very happy with it. My eyes are next set on a micro lens...I just love details, so I am looking at this:

http://www.adorama.com/SearchSite/Default.aspx?searchinfo=nikon+60mm+micro

However it will be a long while for me to save up that much money for it. I think it may be a good idea to see if there are any comparable off brand lenses but Murray's first lens suggestion to me, the 18-200, has really served me well.

True, we usually get what we pay for. Sometimes a product does work well but just doesn't have the "name" to back it up, so it's definitely worth considering. =)

 

Rich Franco

2 Years Ago

Angelina,

What Murray said is true, to a point! (sounds familiar!) You do generally get what you pay for, but not always. All the major camera companies, Canon, Nikon,etc. make lenses at various levels of quality. An example, the lenses that come with the Canon EOS/Rebel/T3 camera kit, aren't their top of the line lenses. And they may even not be made by Canon either, just have the name and specifications from Canon. Nikon is the same. So buying a name brand doesn't gaurantee a great lens. I've had top of the line lenses, from both Nikon and Canon, that had to be sent back to the factory, to be repaired/fixed. They all make "lemons" once in a while and all the photographers find out pretty quickly when that happens.

On the other hand, lens makers like Tamron, Tokina and Sigma also make lenses at various levels, but if you buy their top of the line lenses, you can't go wrong. So if you buy a Nikon lens and pay the additional 20-30% mark-up, this doesn't mean your lens is 20-30% better. I've shot with both the Tokina and Tamron lenses and they were as good or better than the name brand counterparts.

An exception to this rule might be the Carl Zeiss lenses, which are probably the best 35mm lenses in the world. But they are 50-100% more expensive, so budget again is a factor.

So my argument might be stated this way: If you're not a professional photographer, working every day, then the "off brand" lenses are more than fine, as long as you purchase their top of the line products. If you have an unlimited budget, and there are people out there who fall into this crowd, then for "peace of mind" and a little ego boost, buy the big name camera makers lenses.

After all, these are just "tools", and I would buy the best tool you can afford, for the job you will be doing and not a dime more!

Also, I like the longer Macro lenses, in the 85 to 100 or so range. The longer the lens, and I use a Canon 180 Macro, the further away from the subject you can be. A small lens like a 50 and you will be right on top of whatever you are photographing and probably on your hands and knees, because a tripod won't let you get close enough!

Rich

 

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