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Patrick Anthony Pierson

2 Years Ago

Zootoposphere - A Roundtable Of Freethinking

...from the official lexicon of the ZOOTOPOSPHERE: Freethinking refers to an inclination to form one's own opinions rather than depend upon authority, especially about social, political and religious issues; a strong desire to exhibit boldness of speculation and be skeptical of authority; and a willingness to oppose and supplant the mythological narratives of the past and the dogmas of the present with a commitment to promoting science and the arts, freedom of inquiry tempered by the power of reason, and an unflinching embrace of scientific-humanist values.

You might liken the format for this inherently linear thread to a roundtable meeting, at which individuals should be open, honest, and direct with those whom they engage in civil discourse, always showing mutual respect for the opinions of fellow contributors.

You will note that I used the term 'roundtable' for a very good reason: In this discussion, there's no one sitting at the 'head' of the table, as every one's input should be considered equal. Everyone has an equal say.

Here's a golden opportunity for you to show other artists how creative you can be: There are no agendas, neither hidden nor open.

So, Freethinker...what's on your mind?

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Carmen Hathaway

2 Years Ago



 

An apt title, Carmen, though somewhat 'on the nose.'

After watching it several times, the title, Quicksilver came to mind - just an impression, not a suggestion.

 

Carmen Hathaway

2 Years Ago

The tangential disconnect -- mercurial is where I'm at -- so quicksilver is apt, also ;)

 

Shasta Eone

2 Years Ago

The Choice is Mine

I choose to live by choice, not by chance.
I choose to make changes, no excuses.
I choose to be motivated, not manipulated..
I choose to be useful, not used.
I choose self-esteem, not self-pity.
I choose to excel, not compete.
I choose to listen to the Inner Voice,
not the random opinions of the crowds.


.

 

Angelina Vick

2 Years Ago

That with each passing day..it is impressed upon me that there is no time like the present.

Life is fleeting...being in this moment that won't come again...it creates less regrets than times I let slip away.

My husband is turning 35 in a few days...and I am giving him an experience he has never had before. I want him to remember it forever. =)

 

R Allen Swezey

2 Years Ago

Patrick,
I know you will find Angelina's entry, irresistible to comment upon. But I implore, that you keep that urge to yourself.....And we will all have within our own free thoughts,what that experience might be.

 

Angelina Vick

2 Years Ago

LOL....oh my....*angel blushes

cough*

I am taking him to go indoor skydiving. He has always wanted to go skydiving for real...and I am sure he is going to love the opportunity to fly.

http://skyventurecolorado.com/index.php

Booked for his birthday...a bit pricey but I think it's worth it.

 

R Allen Swezey

2 Years Ago

A Truly Golden Opportunity

Using all the trite symbolic imagery I could muster, I'm portraying the "Seminal Five"(in the "Feralgenaria" series), the moment they broke the chains that bound them ( talk about a" trite" expression)..in a brand new colorized version.

Sell Art Online

Be Careful! the pixels are Still Wet!!

 

Roger. Your Freedom's Seminal Morning: 'Wink-and-nod-title' aside, this colorized drawing aptly embodies the idea of basking in the glow of complete emancipation without going anywhere near the threadbare banality you've implied in your comment.

I think it's a profound statement, in addition to being a well-rendered work of art supported by an exceptionally illuminating concept.

...and I intend to steal it (the concept, that is - picture the flip side of a dollar bill).

Thanks, Roger!

 

Dear Angelina:

Please give to Kyle my wish that he have a Happy Birthday! (I wish my wife would give to me something as cool as that on my birthday.)

I've said it before: He's one lucky guy to have a gal like you.

PS Roger, Not only do I believe in the art of chivalry, I practice it everyday.

 

Marlene Burns

2 Years Ago

patrick, is this just your way of getting us all to call you 'sir'?

 

Marlene. I've yet to even begin...

I like Shasta's post, The Choice is Mine:

I choose to live by choice, not by chance.
I choose to make changes, no excuses.
I choose to be motivated, not manipulated..
I choose to be useful, not used.
I choose self-esteem, not self-pity.
I choose to excel, not compete.
I choose to listen to the Inner Voice,
not the random opinions of the crowds.

 

Marlene Burns

2 Years Ago

in that case, Sir Patrick of the roundtable it is.

 

David Lane

2 Years Ago

I will be trite and say nothing we do has any meaning yet is the ultimate expression of the universe experiencing itself, voyeurism defined.

There is no success like failure.

 

Marlene Burns

2 Years Ago

as a young person of the 60's freethinking era, i found that the freethinkers bored me to tears...that their bucking authority for no other reason than to buck, threw them all into the same category, with the same opinions, ultimately.

insinuating that by not accepting the tried and true, you will come up with something brand new, is a stretch.

 

Tony Murray

2 Years Ago

What's on my mind? Indeed. Many, many things.

Here's one thing: Why are people flocking to see "The Hunger Games" ? It is grotesque and sick. A true reflection of our society though.

 

Angelina Vick

2 Years Ago

Tony, I read all the books. That's why I went to go see it. You probably haven't, so a small synopsis would be that a government is starving all it's people to maintain control, the Hunger games force children to fight to the death...one person wins. The series is about slowing ending that reign of government...it has a lot of powerful ideas in it. Great book series.

I don't equate freethinking to as a refusal to accept authority. More of living life on your own terms....not the standards set by society.

Thank you very much Patrick, I will pass your birthday wishes to Kyle. =)

 

Robert Matson

2 Years Ago

I have no idea what Hunger Games is about.

Roger has indeed captured freedom.

Patrick, it is a good idea for a thread. Free thinking, the concept itself, is a long and deep philosophical conversation topic. Say we set all the rules aside and think anew. Well it is a novel idea that has brought about many a breakthrough. Still, it can, and often is, an exercise in futility. First, we could point back to your stealing ideas is good threads. Secondly, we can recall the many brilliant minds that have wasted their lives trying to break the laws of physics. Over unity does not exist. At best, we can only piece together the fragments of our life's experiences in an unique way. Still, the pieces were produced before us. On top of all this, there is the obstacle of overcoming that which we have believed, in the most sincere way, in the deepest parts of our hearts our entire lives.

In short, I do not think free thinking, in its purest form, does exist or can exist. We can look at old ideas in a new way, we can have the courage to buck the system, and we can question interpretations. However, to do so, makes one Socrates. An outcast and scape goat. One to be ridiculed and cast aside. One to be stoned, beaten and even killed. Faced with this, consciously or not, I think most are happier to just "go along". Besides, what is the real reward of all that bucking when we consider the grand scheme of things?

 

Peter Chilelli

2 Years Ago

I am thankful that for the moment, thinking is still free....as I need every spare penny to gas up my car..

-Peter ;c)

 

Carmen Hathaway

2 Years Ago

No more spare pennies north of you Peter... ;)

we are soon to be penniless

The U.S. penny costs an incredible 2.4 cents to make (and the nickel, by the way, costs 11.2 cents). That’s why a couple months back the Obama White House included a proposal in their latest budget to make pennies and nickels cheaper to produce in order to pare down the federal deficit.

Read more: http://moneyland.time.com/2012/03/30/canadas-penny-is-no-more-is-the-u-s-penny-next/

And retirement age's been bumped up to 67...darn longevity.

 

Marlene Burns

2 Years Ago

i recall when the feminists, often misguided, used to practice their raps with me....they actually tried to convince me that i wasn't liberated if i chose to stay home and raise my children.
ah, the irony, of being told by a group of freethinkers, that i can only do things THEIR way to be liberated.
and as a footnote... my children, both well into their 30's never miss the moment to thank me for always being there for them...they have patterned their lives as parents after me.
so there, bit*hes!

 

Roger Swezey

2 Years Ago

Now, you're telling me I have to worry about coins......Every since, I knew what money was , a tube of nickels has been 2 bucks.... What a bargain!! considering the rise in prices of EVERYTHING ELSE.....NOW I have to be prepared to pay more for those nickels...Geeesh!.

 

Peter Chilelli

2 Years Ago

Ahhh..Carmen, along with the end of pennies, the end of "retirement" is not far (atleast for me) as well...I hope I don't get run over
while collecting shopping carts using a cane when I work at Walmart at 75 yrs old!

-Peter

 

Gregory Scott

2 Years Ago

Should freethinking be constrained by reality? Whose reality?
From time to time the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of patriots!
Has anyone been caring for the garden? What are the watering restrictions in this community?

 

Perhaps David would agree with Edison, who said, "Ten thousand failures are worth more than one success," and so would I.

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I take it for granted then, that Tony Murray has actually seen The Hunger Games. Though I haven't yet seen the film, my opinion is that the story has a positively brilliant premise. The IMDB synopsis begins with this: In a dystopian future, the totalitarian nation of Panem... What more do you need?

Rob. I may be an outcast, a scapegoat, one who is often ridiculed and cast aside, but if I had to choose between being stoned, beaten or killed and simply going along to 'get along' for the rest of my life, then I would choose the former, since I favor rational inquiry and speculation above all else. Are you NOT a man of your convictions?

Dear Carmen: Are you aware that we can still buy a gallon of gas for 20 cents?*

NOTE: I am not a deist, but many a deist has been called a freethinker.

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Viet Tran

2 Years Ago

"No democratic system can be established without political debates freely in the public domain", Viet Tran.

I think that Lawrence is deserved the full credit for the past six threads in politics that provided an excellent venue for artists on the left and the right, and in the middle of the political spectrum to express their personal points of view in politics and about the current campaign for the president election in US. Lawrence is a good moderator and excellent host who had the patience and huge courage to keep those threads floated.

I think those artists who had regularly expressed their political passions and beliefs from their hearts - regardless their political stripes – are also deserved the great credit and loud praise for their contribution to the cause of democracy.

The low voting rates in many elections in both Canada and United States of America have shown the essential need for more active participation of the citizens of both countries in politics. I believe that without those politically active people - as those FAA artists who have had the great courage and the risks to show their individual political stripes in a public domain - there would be no democracy at all.

Debate is a good way to know what in minds of those who agree or disagree with us about the way in which a country and the world must be governed. I myself have learned a lot from those democratic debates, I like to show express many thanks and appreciation to those artists and free thinkers who have spent their valuable time to share their politic thoughts.

I hope Lawrence could open the seventh thread in the same format or process as he did with the six former ones. But only after he has taken a rest and could recharge his energy fully to keep this tricky and difficult exercise – nasty debates in politics for a healthy democracy.

 

Re: Viet Tran on 06/15/2012 - 12:56 PM

Oh yeah?

Well I think FAA deserves the lion's share of our collective gratitude for having tolerated the abrasive, sometimes abusive, though generally informative, content inherent in the 'past six threads in politics' on this forum, no thanks to Lawrence.

Thao Chuong. Understand right now that no one is allowed to open a thread in the FAA Discussion Forum if the topic for discussion is politically or religiously oriented...not even Lawrence.

Please refrain from posting politically or religiously oriented commentary in this thread.

 

Think you're creative?

Discover for yourself by filling in these blanks (there are no right or wrong answers):

A pinprick in one's _________ leaves your consciousness bleeding into _________.

 

Donna Proctor

2 Years Ago

Viet said, "I think that Lawrence is deserved the full credit for the past six threads in politics that provided an excellent venue for artists on the left and the right, and in the middle of the political spectrum to express their personal points of view in politics and about the current campaign for the president election in US. Lawrence is a good moderator and excellent host who had the patience and huge courage to keep those threads floated."

Nicely said, Viet. He did the politics thread for at least 3 or 4 years... it's someone else's turn. Ohhh, that's right - FAA says no more political threads... I guess the disgruntled folks who are angry and lashing out at Lawrence, no matter how veiled, can't accept responsibility for whatever they helped to create that made FAA decide NO more :)

@ Liza - aren't you the perfect example of the kettle calling the pot black? Wasn't that you who had a problem with conflict (for whatever reason) when you had your artist account and then canceled it... only to come back pretending to be something you weren't and aren't? If I remember correctly, you were found out - and outted.

Edit - For the record - Supino didn't run from conflict. But if believing that makes you feel more superior.. have at it.

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

since no one else took the bait lol

A pinprick in one's minds eye leaves your consciousness bleeding into fate.

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

Cliques are fun aren’t they?

 

Roseann Caputo

2 Years Ago

A pinprick in one's heart & soul leaves your consciousness bleeding into the void.

 

A pinprick in one's mind leaves your consciousness bleeding into questions.

I recollect comments and pinpricks being the norm in the closed thread, moderated by Lawrence, who promoted and labeled himself as an independent... yet was anything but. My impression was that it was kept open strictly because Lawrence was the moderator ( and longtime member) and his views coincided with that of the head moderator on this site, Beth. Since this is a privately owned site there are no votes... just decisions made at the conviction of that moderator... a trusted employee of the owner. Thus.... free thinking has it's limits too. Everyone should understand that and not be of the persuasion that FAA is an open society somehow protected by the first amendment. It's a business that has it's own set of rules and regulations and must be respected in that light.

Aside from that... the tide had changed quite a bit from one side to another... creating an opportunity for a new societal trend of thought in Zootoposphere.

The balloons can now be released.

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

well said glenn

 

FYI (for your information)

Because of the negativity caused by that thread permeating into other threads, and other issues by a certain few, the owner of the site has decided that enough is enough and, it is either remove the protagonists, OR remove the arguments from source.

I removed the source but I am very happy to also remove the protagonists who keep this up.

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Vivian ANDERSON

2 Years Ago

Do you mean baitors, Beth?

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

A pinprick in one's master leaves your consciousness bleeding into baitor.


lol, sorry, I couldn't resist.

 

Vivian ANDERSON

2 Years Ago

Maybe 'berators' works best here...it's the word game that sparked my interest, not the baitors...well represented here...bye all

 

Gregory Scott

2 Years Ago

So how free thinking is this thread, now that censorship is strictly enforced? What's left to discuss that doesn't touch on these issues?

 

Gregory. We went through a long time here with no religion or politics and, funnily enough, people got on just fine talking about art, literature and supporting each other if they had problems.

 

Gregory. It's neither censorship, nor is it an infringement of our First Amendment rights (since this is a privately owned entity, not public):
It is simply a new set of FAA Discussion Forum guidelines.

I see their are still a few contributors here possessed of a childish preoccupation with the double entendre for masturbation; shamey, shamey.



Coming soon: The origin and meaning of the term, Zoo-topos-phere.

 

Gregory Scott

2 Years Ago

I didn't say it was a first amendment violation. Censorship has many forms, not all of them bad. However, the policy is a form of private censorship, no doubt. And it still raises the question, how free can the "free-thinking" discussion here be with some very important dimensions of our world off limits? It's just an observation, and doesn't really require an answer. All freedom is limited in pragmatic ways, in various forums. Time, money, and communication channels all impose limits on communication, regardless of any institutional or social policies.

 

It has recently come to my attention that Viet Tran mistakenly posted these verses in the body of another thread, one that is unrelated to their inherent tone and underlying theme, though they do not necessarily bely the theme of 'Not Enough Drama', which is precisely why I have chosen to present all three, in their entirety and unedited:

The So-called Free Thinkers

those free thinkers
who roam theirs deep thoughts around and around
endlessly
at a round table
not much better than
confused drivers circling their cars
in a roundabout
without
exit

their freedom of expression fully enclosed
in a little den
having less room than a pen
full of noisy monkeys
displayed
in a zoo
for little kids to have fun
and an easy laugh

Free Thinking and Censorship

Could free thinking be in existence
on the land of
censorship?

The thinker
who sees no problem about repression
of his freedom
in expression
either must he have a brain
dead
or could he be
just
a sheep
on a green pasture
happily accepts the German Shepherd
as a safeguard for
his free will

Such
a cowardice attitude
certainly would lead to the doomsday
of any free
thought

Of Free Thinking

could there be any room left for free thinking
inside an individual prison
of politics and
religions?

at all times
there’s only one direction on a one way street
those who have already set their mind
on a fixed track
worshipping one sacred god
serving one political master
and being stuck on their
predetermined
passage

wouldn’t they miss millions of other paths
of which they could think
accordingly
change their own course
and travel
freely?


Thao Chuong
2012-06-18

 

Perhaps the society of closed minded-thinkers includes the likes of:

J.R.R Tolkien
C.S. Lewis
Ray Bradbury
John Bunyan (not to be mistaken with Paul)
John Newton...

..to name a few.

These one road minded thinkers have certainly squelched the imagination of the free-thinking world. We would have been much better off without the likes of their kind...

Perhaps that may have been a thought from round the table where Sir Galahad resides.

 

In this scene from Disney's John Carter, the Thern named Matai Shang has taken Carter as his prisoner, disguising himself as he leads the Captain to an observation level that bridges the route of the Princess of Mars' wedding parade.

John Carter: "So, what is your cause?"

Matai Shang: "We have none. We're not haunted by mortality, as you are. We are eternal."

John Carter: "I don't understand. The wedding, this little stroll; why not just kill me, kill Dejah?"

Matai Shang: "History will follow the course we set, Earthman, and we've chosen Sab Than to rule next. The Ninth Ray must remain in the hands of the mindless brutes we can control. And the infamy of Dejah Thoris' wedding death will seal his reign.

"We've been playing this game since before the birth of this planet and will continue to do so long after the death of yours.

"We don't cause the destruction of a world, Captain Carter. We simply manage it. Feed off it, if you like.

On every host planet it always plays out exactly the same way: Populations rise...societies divide...wars spread...and all the while, a neglected planet slowly fades."



A case of art imitating life, perhaps? An indictment?

 

@ Glenn McCarthy on 06/18/2012 - 10:16 PM...to wit:

Excerpt from Ray Bradbury's, The Martian Chronicles:

'That's the mistake we made when Darwin showed up. We embraced him and Huxley and Freud, all smiles. And then we discovered that Darwin and our religions didn't mix. Or at least we didn't think they did. We were fools. We tried to budge Darwin and Huxley and Freud. They wouldn't move very well. So, like idiots, we tried knocking down religion.

'We succeeded pretty well. We lost our faith and went around wondering what life was for. If art was no more than a frustrated outflinging of desire, if religion was no more than self-delusion, what good was life? Faith had always given us answers to all things. But it all went down the drain with Freud and Darwin. We were and still are a lost people.'

(Emphasis, mine.)

 

Based on this interview http://www.californiality.com/2012/06/ray-bradbury-death.html

Mr Bradbury was not stuck... but he let his mind wonder at the possibilities... the fusion of science and faith

Being open minded does not mean that there are "no parameters"... -Me

An enthusiastic supporter of space exploration, Bradbury believed that exploring the universe would not destroy faith but actually reinforce it. Paraphrased by me...

Certainly one main road may have some neighborhoods along the way... -Me

I'd conclude that Ray Bradbury was a pretty free-thinker that would not allow anyone around the table to close him in...

 

Gregory Scott

2 Years Ago

Freud had some revolutionary insights, but as far as science goes, it was pseudo-science. Freudian psychology was a step forwards, but forward into an untestable, unmeasurable, and ultimately impractical theory. Other "branches" of psychology have been much more scientific and successful.

It makes me quite uncomfortable to see Freud and Darwin in the same analysis, and makes it the meaning of the quote somewhat incomprehensible to me. (If 1=0, I can prove anything.) The only service Freud did to advance science was to liberate science from the restrictions of sexual taboo. That's significant, but it's much more a social advance than a scientific one.

Darwin is very sound and testable in his theory. It was possible to prove or disprove his theory. Freud? Not at all. There's no way to disprove it. It's an elegant ivory tower. Freudian psychology is more like a religion. You buy into its assumptions, don't test them, and can't validate the theory, and more importantly, can't prove that it's false. It makes no firm predictions. Treatment? Placebo or elapsed time is just as effective.

Here's a fairly good article on the issue:
http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/critical_thinking/science_pseudo_falsifiability.html

 

Gregory Scott

2 Years Ago

I could say that again, but I won't.

 

I posted this video last December in the Official FAA Environmental Thread featuring David Attenborough's rendition of What a Wonderful World.

I think it's worth another look.

 

A new Ocean Health Index shows clean water but poor management.

Yet another reason to celebrate the moral imperative espoused by the inhabitants of PLANET ZOOTOPIA.

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

if you get paid for your thoughts are you really a free thinker?

 

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