Return to Main Discussion Page

Discussion

Main Menu | Search Discussions

Search Discussions

 
 

Bill Stephens

2 Years Ago

Wild Bill At It Again

For those interested, here is a current behind the scenes look at an artist:

What does Wild Bill do when he isn't leaping out of a tree with a knive in his mouth to secure venison for the dinner table?

Well, he finished this work an hour after he just got done field dressing a deer.

Art Prints

Reply Order

Post Reply
 

Donna Parlow

2 Years Ago

Beautiful work

 

Rich Franco

2 Years Ago

Bill,

While dressing the deer, stay away from horizontal stripes, adds pounds to the look!

Rich

 

Bill Stephens

2 Years Ago

Thanks Donna. I know that you can see the real "beauty" behind this work. That little man was forsaken of humanity and he is now LOVED in every way.

When you make something to show the world, why not show it.

And with that....why not let others know something behind the work and the artist.

 

Donna Parlow

2 Years Ago

The work speaks of the Real Love that comes from above. That you can not find in this world but through a faith in the one that created us.

 

Phyllis Beiser

2 Years Ago

Perfect love casts out all fear... I love it.

 

7. Posts and threads of a political or religious nature are not permitted on the forum.

http://fineartamerica.com/showmessages.php?messageid=260080

 

Rich Franco

2 Years Ago

Beth,

I think mine was probably not related to religion.....

Rich

 

Donna Parlow

2 Years Ago

Wow! I was simply stating how I see the piece!

 

Mike Savad

2 Years Ago

i'm still trying to picture you jumping out of trees with a knife in your mouth, from the guy who was worried the internet would shut down by august. those two don't go together on different levels. i hope up you put some nice slacks on that deer.


---Mike Savad

 

With knife in mouth jumping out of trees to secure venison for dinner, I'm visulaizing more of Seinfeld's Elaine's boss character, Jacopo Peterman, owner of The J Peterman Co., who would hire Elaine to dream up grand stories to sell minor leisure wear products. LOL


-W

 

Rich Franco

2 Years Ago

Bill,

It's almost like you have a sense of humor! Can this be? How did you find that right tree, the one that's low enough for you to jump from and also is on the "deer path"? And where are the parents of that kid on the rock? Are they also hunting deer with a knife? I'm confused, which is a pretty common state for me.

I've never dressed a deer, but I would probably use "earth tone" colors, just sayin'

Rich

 

Mario Donk

2 Years Ago

Rich, I expect he shot it with a bow first, that's the logical way and Bills pretty logical.

 

Donna Parlow

2 Years Ago

Yes it would be preferable to have it be dead before field dressing. That is how I prefer to work.

 

So let me get this straight, you shoot the the deer first with a bow and arrow, then approach it on ground or do you jump from tree to tree in your approach like tarzan? If not, do you climb a nearby tree just before you get to the dead deer just so you can put a knife in your mouth and jump down to make the dramatic but probably unneccessary entrance? Now I'm getting even more confused? Do real hunters even put knife in mouth and jump from trees or is that just Hollywood Rambo stuff?

-W

 

Mike Savad

2 Years Ago

i think deer prefer camouflage. it's the only right thing to do. i always thought it was dangerous to jump from trees like that or at all. put the knife in the wrong way and your cut your head off. and if not that you break your teeth on impact. so based off of these last messages your sort of a cross between gandi, crocodile dundee and henny penny. first you have a panic attack that they might shut down facebook and the internet. then the whole power grid, now you hunt deer with your bare hands. i'm curious what the next post will be about. you should write a book.


---Mike Savad

 

Rich Franco

2 Years Ago

Oh, my bad! I think I got the "dressing" wrong. Sorry, not a hunter.

So now, that I know what I'm talking about, for the dressing, I would go with a Balsamic! Less calories and stuff!

Chef Ricard

 

Mario Donk

2 Years Ago

Ok here is how many do it, you make a hide up in a tree, deer will generally not bother to look up a tree, you wait, shoot the dear, climb done or jump, depending on the height and skin the animal and hopefully use the meat as otherwise its a waste. However jumping with a knife in ones mouth is going to end in having a very bad day, lol.

 

Natalie Singer

2 Years Ago

"Brutally inhumane weapons such as the bow and arrow are increasingly used. In all cases, sport hunting inflicts undeniable cruelty—pain, trauma, wounding, and death—on living, sentient creatures. Most civilized and caring people will believe that causing suffering and death is by definition inhumane, regardless of method.

The vast majority of species that are hunted -- waterfowl, upland birds, mourning doves, squirrels, raccoons, rabbits, crows, coyotes, etc. -- provide minimal sustenance and do not require population control.

Hunters have strived for decades to convince the American public that hunting is good for wildlife and good for society, often with arguments that are based on obfuscation and half-truths. They have deliberately focused the debate on deer hunting, for which plausible, but not necessarily true, arguments for subsistence and management can be made. But the holes in their arguments are becoming increasingly apparent, as is the magnitude of their waste, cruelty and destruction. More than that, sport hunting—the killing of wild animals as recreation—is fundamentally at odds with the values of a humane, just and caring society."

How can people rattle on about "real love" and "beauty" and blah blah blah one second and then go out and murder a beautiful, peaceful, sentient being.......and for no apparent or justifiable reason other than the act of killing another living thing.....another one of "God's creatures"?

 

I'm still trying to wrap my mind's eye around the knife in mouth thingy. Is it anything like this?

 

Mike Savad

2 Years Ago

i would love to see a video of that. bill jumping down....


reality says that hunters should not hunt for fun. they should hunt for food and that's all. if there is no food sources then hunting for that reason is not a bad thing. you can still say you love the creatures and how they look. but when it comes down to food and there is none near by then it's just food. just like a cow or a dog is.

it's a different story when they all get in a truck, set up fake deer, shoot hunt, and display the stuff. it should never be a hobby or a game or a past time. it should only be for the use of food.


---Mike Savad

 

Mike Savad

2 Years Ago

i like the guy in the corner just looking... what the heck is that guy doing? well he's a human dishwasher. or maybe he sells knives. in either case don't mess with him. and watch out when he sneezes.


---Mike Savad

 

I think he's just jumped out of trees with knife in mouth a few too many times in his days.


-W

 

Mike Savad

2 Years Ago

he never said he ever landed on his feet.

---Mike Savad

 

Donna Parlow

2 Years Ago

wow you guys have turned this in to something ridiculous.

 

Rich Franco

2 Years Ago

Donna,

Thank You and I take that as a compliment!

And you'll never hear that guy ask" Now where did I put that knife down?"

And I bet he's a "sharp tongued devil" too!

I wonder if he's related to Edward Scissorhands......

Rich

Big Skip

This is a very popular discussion with 82 responses.   In order to help the page load faster and allow you to quickly read the most recent posts, we're only showing you the oldest 25 posts and the newest 25 posts.   Everything in the middle has been skipped.   Want to read the entire discussion?   No problem: click here.

 

Patricia Strand

2 Years Ago

Phyllis, I agree with you. I have less problem with hunters and fisherpeople than with factory farming/fur trade. Wild Bill, I always look forward to your postings! Even though we are opposites on the religious spectrum. Hope you are feeling better soon.

 

Robert Kernodle

2 Years Ago

? = ! = (^_^) vs. [#_#] = / = (x_x)

 

Donna Van Vlack

2 Years Ago

Wow...this is what I call uniformed:



"Brutally inhumane weapons such as the bow and arrow are increasingly used. In all cases, sport hunting inflicts undeniable cruelty—pain, trauma, wounding, and death—on living, sentient creatures. Most civilized and caring people will believe that causing suffering and death is by definition inhumane, regardless of method.

The vast majority of species that are hunted -- waterfowl, upland birds, mourning doves, squirrels, raccoons, rabbits, crows, coyotes, etc. -- provide minimal sustenance and do not require population control.

Hunters have strived for decades to convince the American public that hunting is good for wildlife and good for society, often with arguments that are based on obfuscation and half-truths. They have deliberately focused the debate on deer hunting, for which plausible, but not necessarily true, arguments for subsistence and management can be made. But the holes in their arguments are becoming increasingly apparent, as is the magnitude of their waste, cruelty and destruction. More than that, sport hunting—the killing of wild animals as recreation—is fundamentally at odds with the values of a humane, just and caring society."

How can people rattle on about "real love" and "beauty" and blah blah blah one second and then go out and murder a beautiful, peaceful, sentient being.......and for no apparent or justifiable reason other than the act of killing another living thing.....another one of "God's creatures"?


Would you rather these animals just starve? Hunting is a necessary part of wildlife management. We can't just let them reproduce and not control them. 99.9 percent of hunters are ethically and morally responsible people who kill humanely. You are entitled to your opinion but you need to be further informed...IMHO as a woman who hunts.

 

Donna Van Vlack

2 Years Ago

Oh and Wow that is a great recipe.

 

Natalie Singer

2 Years Ago

Yes, Donna, of course you are woman who hunts. All "hunters" spout the same stuff. That information came from sources that are against the killing of animals. But you have to insult me, the bearer of the information as you are a hunter and don't want to accept the facts.

You and whomever else that enjoy killing can say whatever you like, believe whatever you like, it matters not one iota to me and those of us who find no pleasure in killing animals, or anything else.

And anyone asking if I, or anyone else would prefer an animal suffer in some other inhumane way is simply asking a ridiculous question when it's obvious to anyone with even half a brain that I would not. As the article said, people who like to go out and kill things will argue their side using half-truths and obfuscation. But that's human nature...believing whatever one has to to make oneself feel right no matter what harm one inflicts on the world around them.

I expressed my opinion on what I think of killing animals and you have yours. Just because I disdain the thought, and would never, ever kill an animal, nor can I comprehend how others can take any pleasure or pride in killing an animal doesn't mean I'm misinformed.

You should just continue to be loud and proud that you go out and kill things, and not have to insult me or anyone else that we are misinformed, to have your say. You hunt, you kill, good for you. Let the whole world know about it with pride. No need to get defensive about it. Be what you are and stand by it and I'll be for animal's rights and stand by that.

Others are not "misinformed" just because their view differs from yours.

You are just different from me....you seem to take pride and pleasure in killing a living thing and I would break my own heart killing any living thing.

We're just very different kinds of people. See, I could go ahead and insult you like you did me and say something like "I bet you'd also like a nice roadkill stew recipe and I would rather eat wet rope dipped in tar." Now THAT would make me misinformed as I don't really know that you'd eat that. It would just be an assumption on my part.

See, just different.

But am I misinformed? No.

 

Donna Van Vlack

2 Years Ago

Natalie...

I did not insult you, rather you insulted hunters of which I happen to be one. You are misinformed, in my opinoin which yes differs from yours.

 

Donna Parlow

2 Years Ago

Donna, I totally agree with you and yes, I am a hunter too. It is too bad so many are so misinformed

 

Donna Van Vlack

2 Years Ago

Thanks for the support Donna... =)

 

"Misinformed" is a harsh word to mischaracterize those disagree with who your opinion, kinda like passive aggressive name calling without being subjected to sanctions.


-W

 

Hello everyone

!

 

Donna Van Vlack

2 Years Ago

The definition of misinformed is "To provide with incorrect information" which I believe was presented with this statement:

"In all cases, sport hunting inflicts undeniable cruelty—pain, trauma, wounding, and death—on living, sentient creatures. Most civilized and caring people will believe that causing suffering and death is by definition inhumane, regardless of method.....

Hunters have strived for decades to convince the American public that hunting is good for wildlife and good for society, often with arguments that are based on obfuscation and half-truths. They have deliberately focused the debate on deer hunting, for which plausible, but not necessarily true, arguments for subsistence and management can be made. But the holes in their arguments are becoming increasingly apparent, as is the magnitude of their waste, cruelty and destruction. More than that, sport hunting—the killing of wild animals as recreation—is fundamentally at odds with the values of a humane, just and caring society."

 

Harold Shull

2 Years Ago

Hya Bill,
Great image! I really like the sepia effect you created because if it was in full color, I think it would lack the punch that you have here. The only thing I don't like about it is I didn't create it myself.

Hey guys, I thought this thread was about Bill's image?? As for me, I always thought that posting an image here at the boards was for the beginners and others to learn from them... so get with the program or I'm going to have to start taking names! :)

 

Donna Parlow

2 Years Ago

you are so right Harold and thank you for once again pointing that out. For truly it is a wonderful image

 

Patricia Strand

2 Years Ago

Well, then, Donnas... You go out killing as wildlife management? Guess you've informed us now.

 

Mario Donk

2 Years Ago

To Be honest I can not tell which side Donna Van seems to be on (if there is a side). I have read and read it and it looks as if its against hunting, then the rest of you say she hunts, its reads rather confused. Yes the image Bill made is very nice work.

 

Donna Van Vlack

2 Years Ago

Mario I am absolutely not against hunting at all...I have hunted for 15 years. What I wrote is crystal clear...I am against people who make statements like this one....


"In all cases, sport hunting inflicts undeniable cruelty—pain, trauma, wounding, and death—on living, sentient creatures. Most civilized and caring people will believe that causing suffering and death is by definition inhumane, regardless of method.....

Hunters have strived for decades to convince the American public that hunting is good for wildlife and good for society, often with arguments that are based on obfuscation and half-truths. They have deliberately focused the debate on deer hunting, for which plausible, but not necessarily true, arguments for subsistence and management can be made. But the holes in their arguments are becoming increasingly apparent, as is the magnitude of their waste, cruelty and destruction. More than that, sport hunting—the killing of wild animals as recreation—is fundamentally at odds with the values of a humane, just and caring society."


And yes Bill's image is great...

 

Natalie Singer

2 Years Ago

Hahaha...Donna, how many times are you going to post my quote? Because no matter how many times you repost it or call me misinformed what is written in my post doesn't become less true. I don't even know why you're still going on about it at this point other than being insulted that someone, in fact millions of people, agree with what is in that quote and believe it to be true.

I don't think calling me, and by default, the people who originally wrote that quote/article, "misinformed" is much of a defense for your love of hunting/killing. We are allowed in this thread, as Beth wrote earlier, to discuss hunting. That's what I did. Why don't you just take this opportunity to defend hunting and explain your love of killing these animals and show some solid proof why it's such a big help to the world instead of calling me misinformed and telling us all why you are "against people who make statements like this".

I am extremely confident and secure in my choice NOT to harm other living things and feel no need to get angry at those who don't agree with my views. I know people who feel fine about killing a living being are not people who agree with my views nor would I care about arguing about it with them. That would be a huge waste of time and energy...really no different than arguing about religion. I feel no need to defend my beliefs or opinion about hunting, or anything actually, especially by calling people names who disagree with me. So I wonder why you are so angry and defensive when someone expresses their views about it or posts a quote backing their views.

But! I actually love that you keep reposting that quote, as it contains information and truths that I am happy for more and more people to see it. So thanks for sharing it over and over...you're helping to have lots more people read it and if it happens to raise the consciousness of even one person about killing animals, well then I owe you a big thank you.

 

Donna Parlow

2 Years Ago

I copied this from the Ducks Unlimited site, but believe that it pretty much sums up exactly how I myself feel about this issue, better than I could say it myself. And is something I know to be true, having been a hunter for all of my adult life and having been raised in a family of hunters.


"As a group, hunters are more interested in wildlife issues and contribute more to conservation efforts than the general public, according to a study by Ducks Unlimited, the world's leading wetlands and waterfowl conservation organization.

In a nationwide telephone poll, Americans were asked about their participation in hunting, their interest in wildlife, and their contributions to non-governmental conservation groups. Those that identified themselves as hunters indicated a higher interest in wildlife and higher participation in the efforts of groups like Ducks Unlimited.

Hunters were more than three times as likely as non-hunters to participate in organized wildlife conservation efforts. Only 15 percent of non-hunters said they were a member of, or donated to, any organization dedicated to the protection or conservation of wildlife. But 51 percent of hunters said they belonged or donated to such an organization.

When asked how they would gauge their interest in wildlife, 77 percent of hunters answered "high," compared to 61 percent of non-hunters.

"There's no doubt that people who enjoy the outdoors are more committed to taking care of our natural resources, and this is evidence that hunters are the most passionate and the most sincere about putting their money and time into conservation efforts" said Don Young, Executive Vice President of Ducks Unlimited. "We certainly see this within our own organization. DU was founded by a group of concerned sportsmen 65 years ago, and today a large majority of our members continue to be waterfowl hunters who want to give something back."

Hunters were identified as those who said they had been hunting in the last 12 months. The study was conducted by Responsive Management, a research firm specializing in public attitudes toward natural resources and the outdoors. The survey results are based on a random sample of 1,000 adult Americans (18 years and older) with a sampling error of +/- 3%"

 

Donna Van Vlack

2 Years Ago

Hunters are the largest contributors to conservation, paying for programs that benefit all Americans and wildlife. Many private organizations, large and small, are working to sustain and improve the quality of our natural resources.

Here is some information about the positive economic effects hunting has in Arizona (www.huntingworksforaz.com)

• 148,000 people hunt in Arizona each year.
• Each Arizona hunter spends an average of $1,380 per year on trip-related expenses and gear.
• Hunters support 4,263 jobs in Arizona, more than many of the state’s largest employers.
• The $211.5 million in annual spending by Arizona hunters equals nearly one third the cash receipts from cattle production, the state’s top agricultural commodity.
• Hunting generates $107.5 million in salaries and wages.

HUNTING IS A KEY SOURCE OF TAX REVENUE
• Arizona hunters annually pay $15.3 million in state taxes – this could pay 443 teachers’ salaries.
• Hunting provides $15.3 million in Arizona sales, fuel and income taxes.

ARIZONA HUNTING: THE BOTTOM LINE
• Hunting has a $429.3 million ripple effect on the state economy.

Here is some information from the National Wild Turkey Federation of which I am the president of the Southern AZ Chapter, regarding hunters’ efforts to restore wild turkeys to our country (www.nwtf.org). This goes directly to the connection between hunting and conservation.

There were only 30,000 wild turkeys strutting, roosting and rearing broods in our country at the turn of the century. We can't point to one specific thing responsible for the decline of the species. Instead it can be summed up in a phrase: "Go West, young man."

The settlers' westward movement and all it entailed contributed to the wild turkey's near demise. The establishment of railroads and settlements altered habitats. And you can't blame the settlers for wanting to eat, especially the hearty meat of a wild turkey. But there was no thought to the consequences of these pioneers' actions regarding wildlife. Who thinks about the sustainability of wild turkey populations when you're striving to find sustenance for yourself?

The downward spiral of wildlife was reversed by a group of men who had the gift of foresight. Teddy Roosevelt, Gifford Pinchot, George Bird Grinnell and others formed the Boone and Crockett Club and used their status to create some of North America's most important and enduring conservation legacies. They weren't magicians, but what they did was nothing short of a miracle. Their proactive stance for natural resources gave rise to the North American Model of Wildlife Conservation and began the return of wildlife to this continent.


Here is more information about The North American Model of Wildlife Conservation which has kept us on course during the last century. The model's seven pillars have set us apart from all other approaches to wildlife management:

1. In North America, natural resources on public lands are managed by government agencies to ensure we always have wildlife and wild places to enjoy.
2. Because we all own wildlife, it is illegal in North America to sell the meat of any wild animal. In some cases the hides, teeth, antlers and horns of game animals and the hides and meat of a select few furbearers may be sold.
3. Every citizen of the United States and Canada has the right to help create laws to conserve and manage wild animals and their habitats.
4. Every citizen has an opportunity, under the law, to hunt and fish in the United States and Canada.
5. In North America, we can legally kill certain wild animals under strict guidelines for food and fur, self-defense and property protection.
6. Wildlife and fish migrate freely across boundaries between states, provinces and countries.
7. Science helps us make good decisions and become better stewards of wildlife.

All wildlife organizations have a group of animals they help to preserve. Another example of this is the Rocky Mountain Elk Foundation. Here is how they conserve the elk people get to see in the wild.

Land Protection - The RMEF permanently protects crucial elk winter and summer ranges, migration corridors, calving grounds and other vital areas. Our land conservation tools include: acquisitions, conservation easements, land and real estate donations, land exchanges and associated acres.

Habitat Stewardship - Healthy habitat is essential for healthy elk and other wildlife, the RMEF helps fund and conduct a variety of projects to improve essential forage, water, cover and space components of wildlife habitat, and supports research and management efforts to help maintain productive elk herds and habitat.

Elk Restoration - The RMEF works to reestablish elk herds in historic ranges where the habitat and human cultural tolerance create a high potential for self-sustaining herds.

Hunters pay for all they do…we self-imposed a federal excise tax on all hunting and shooting equipment, so there would be enough money to preserve wildlife for the future of our grandchildren and great grandchildren…it’s called the Pittman Robertson Act.

All of the hunters I know and God fearing church going Christians who care about the environment and want wildlife to be around for their families future. They are the best group of people I’ve ever known in my life. Hunters are the most passionate people when it comes to taking care of our natural resources. RMEF, NWTF, AES and countless other wildlife organizations spend at least one weekend a month making sure the water catchments we created for wildlife are in good working order, that ranchers fences are properly fixed when broken so not to hurt wildlife that is coming and going, along with a number of other projects. We spend more time preserving wildlife than hunting it. Believe me if it were not for hunters most people would never have the chance to see wildlife in its natural state because most of it would have been gone to marketing hunting long ago.


Here is what the US Fish and Wildlife Services say about hunters and conservation...hunters are conservationists. "They do a lot. The sale of hunting licenses, tags, and stamps is the primary source of funding for most state wildlife conservation efforts.

By respecting seasons and limits, purchasing all required licenses, and paying federal excise taxes on hunting equipment and ammunition, individual hunters make a big contribution towards ensuring the future of many species of wildlife and habitat for the future. By paying the Federal excise tax on hunting equipment, hunters are contributing hundreds of millions of dollars for conservation programs that benefit many wildlife species, both hunted and non- hunted.

Each year, nearly $200 million in hunters' federal excise taxes are distributed to State agencies to support wildlife management programs, the purchase of lands open to hunters, and hunter education and safety classes. Proceeds from the Federal Duck Stamp, a required purchase for migratory waterfowl hunters, have purchased more than five million acres of habitat for the refuge system (2005 statistics only); lands that support waterfowl and many other wildlife species, and are usually open to hunting.

Local hunting clubs and national conservation organizations work to protect the future of wildlife by setting aside thousands of acres of habitat and speaking up for conservation in our national and state capitals."

 

Natalie Singer

2 Years Ago

To both Donnas....as my article was, both your articles are written by people who are supporting their own agendas.

I don't have the time or inclination to do the research to see if your articles are as misinformed as you say mine is. But I'm sure in your opinions, your articles are packed with only the truth, even though mine is "misinformed" according to you.

So I will leave you two hunting enthusiasts to post all your pro hunting articles for one another to read and enjoy.

Oh, by the way while you're scouring the internet for pro hunting articles maybe you can dig one up on Dick Cheney's hunting experiences.. that might be fun to read again.

 

Donna Parlow

2 Years Ago

LOL

 

Donna Van Vlack

2 Years Ago

LMAO

 

Donna Parlow

2 Years Ago

:-)

 

I'm neither pro- nor against hunting - I'm still trying to fathom why anyone would jump from a tree with knife in mouth, but my and others voices have been silented. And yea, this hunting vs not hunting stuff is much more stimulating and "intellectually debated" ---NOT !!

Oh yea, and as Beavis (or was it Butthead??) would say, "hehehe, she said the "R" word! (as in religion)":

"All of the hunters I know and God fearing church going Christians who care about the environment and want wildlife to be around for their families future."

I thought promotion of religion was still against the rules??.....just sayin'

...and I thought taunting is also against the rules, as in the passive aggresive "LMAO" and "LOL" and ":-)" responses to someone elses serious post. Is this that "Do as I say not as I do" thing happening here, educate me, I'm kinda slow in my old age.


Oh by the way, something I just happened across...happy reading...and be informed! -W


 

Donna Van Vlack

2 Years Ago

hahahahah I thought PETA stood for "People Eating Tasty Animals" Oh and I am not promoting religion I was stating a fact...but sorry if that statement offended someone....

 

Donna Van Vlack

2 Years Ago

@ Wingsdomain Art and Photography - how do you paste windows like that in the discussion threads?

 

Patricia Strand

2 Years Ago

Wow, Donna, I don't know who would find your mocking of PETA even funny in the least. If that makes you feel better about your hunting and killing of animals, then just keep it to yourself.

 

This discussion is closed.