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Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

I Am The Destroyer Of All Things!

Anyone else hear ever destroy your own art out of anger or frustration?

I had been working on a piece, an oil painting, it had about 10-13 hours invested in it and about 2 weeks of drying time, I am the one that screwed it up and once I realised I couldn't even paint over it and start over i mopped it with a coat of thick titanium white, took it to the back yard and beat it like satan himself, busted frameing, ripped, torn and still crumpled up in the back yard collecting due .......


the sense of loss is devistating, and I'm really struggling with what happened yesterday

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John Crothers

2 Years Ago

You need to get a gun. They can be very good stress relievers.

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

guns don't kill paintings, i do.

 

John Ayo

2 Years Ago

In the right market, that might still sell.

 

Franziskus Pfleghart

2 Years Ago

If you of it a series put in all gallery owners will want to sell this.


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Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

I guess I'm alone

 

Dan Daugherty

2 Years Ago

Daniel.. Beating on Steel Sculptures is Likely to harm me instead, so I refrain...The other part of that is that I can cut off the offending portion and start over where I left off... A Gun might prove extremely harmful to who knows who in my case!

Sorry to hear about your painting's demise...How much do you want for it??....LOL

 

Lara Ellis

2 Years Ago

Not alone I had a meltdown moment... an argument over my photography and how much time I was spending with it with a signifigant other. In my anger I destroyed a 20 X 30 beautiful print of one of my bird photos made by crane paper for me as payment for using my image in an art show. Not something I can ever get back and I still regret it :(

 

Take a picture, post it here, we'll critique it.

-W

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

it's knowing that you can't get it back that hurts the most Lara

and ya, i'll see about getting a photo of it tonight ......

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

I think maybe it's the self hatred for what i've done that makes it hard to get past it

 

Jason Christopher

2 Years Ago

yeh definitely a montage of close ups!! dont get a gun! go have an ice cream and cool off

 

Shana Rowe

2 Years Ago

I've been there before Daniel, I hate that feeling. At the time it feels really good to get the frustration out, but then afterwards, it really feels crappy, because you know that all your hard work was wasted :( chin up, it will get better and you will create something new!!

 

Lara Ellis

2 Years Ago

I know what you mean I still feel a loss sometimes over what I destroyed but Shana is right chin up and start creating something new. Maybe you can paint your frustration and that will be a work of art in itself. Happy creating.

 

Lara Ellis

2 Years Ago

I like this one a lot. Maybe you could do a new one expressing your feelings in this style. :-)

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Stephen King

2 Years Ago

Passion, heat of the moment, disappointment all contribute to regretful actions. Sometimes frustration rules regardless our attempt at control.
If we were only perfect.

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

I really do appreciate all the heart felt responses ...

I think some of my frustration is that it makes me feel like a wuss and men arn't suppose to be like that, especially when it comes to art, it just shouldnt matter that much, but it does,

 

Mike Savad

2 Years Ago

and then waited for the paint to dry and sold it as a sculpture?


---Mike Savad

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

I don't think it will be for sell but maybe someday, when i'm ready to let go ......


I'll take a photo of the stick i used too lol

 

Ann Powell

2 Years Ago

I love collage! Let it dry , cut it up and make a wonderful collage or assemblage with the pieces. I have lots just waiting to be deconsturcted in this way!

 

Katie Black

2 Years Ago

Dear Daniel..sorry to hear that..but we have all been there...it does leave you feeling upset, I pulled a pastel off my board the other week out of frustration and it ripped down the side...hours of work wasted...chin up though you have some great work!!

 

Mary Bedy

2 Years Ago

Daniel, I used to draw on newsprint because that's what I was taught to use for preliminary sketching. Well, we all know how well newsprint holds up, and when you end up with a finished drawing on newsprint, what do you do with it? Fortunately, a couple of the ones I liked the best fit in my scanner so now they are on my computer where they won't deteriorate. But we've all been there....get almost done with something then introduce and element into the image that simply doesn't work. It's frustrating. Take a deep breath.

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

Ann, not sure it will make much of a collage due to all the white paint I slapped on it before taking the stick to it lol, but this thread has helped for whatever reason and I do like the deconstruction idea, youre the second to mention it

Katie, I hope you were at least able to salvage some of it, I obviously dont handle my mistakes well, Ive never really been one to try and turn a mistake into something useable, if it doesnt match my vision I feel like its a failure, I dont do accidental success K.. I also dont do pastels either lol for those same reasons lol

Mary, I made the news print mistake too, I use my left over news print as a drop cloth now lol

 

Now quickly go out and paint a series of paintings before all that frustrated passion and angry energy dries out, should be something awesome!

-W

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

instead i get to do autocad all day lol

 

Tony Murray

2 Years Ago

Keep it and frame it. It is part of the process of producing art. It is why they call it a "Work" and not a "Perfection"

If I were you I would create a series in the same fashion. Call it "My beautiful Rage" series or something like that. (and I am quite serious)

The art and subsequent anger is not a separate entity but intrinsic to who you are as an artist.

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

I was worried this thread would turn into a woe is me, which would not have helped the least, but instead this thread did indeed allow me to see past this and I appreciate everyones responses, even those that got pmd

Tony, once Ive satisfied my hunger to recreate and get past this piece I do plan on doing one in black to go with it ..


I feel much better this afternoon

 

John Crothers

2 Years Ago

Art Prints

Sometimes a gun is the best tool to show something who is boss!

 

Stuart Turnbull

2 Years Ago

At least you got the satisfaction of beating your artwork into submission.
When I get frustrated with one of my digital pieces, there isn't anything to beat, bend or break. I hit delete and it's over. No fun at all.

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

I love going to the range but when it comes to this i much prefer the hands on approach, having beaten it with a stick now feels quite satifying ....

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

you could print it out and take it to the firing range Stuart lol

 

Stuart Turnbull

2 Years Ago

I never considered scheduling a meltdown...This does open up new possibilities on how to vent my frustrations. Could be a video in there somewhere. Thanks Daniel.

 

Johnny Trippick

2 Years Ago

You're not alone. I'm sure John Cleese did something like that to his Austin 1100 car (beating it with a stick), but apart from that I remember reading about an artist whose work had been slighted in the past (he'd given a painting to a friend who'd binned it I think). Ever after that, with every painting that he completed, he immediately destroyed it. And he was quite a good painter I believe.

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

I've destroyed other art in the past for various reasons but not like I did this one

 

Minnie Lippiatt

2 Years Ago

I have one word for you ...........................................Meditate :o)

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

goosefraba ... goosefraba .....

 

Angelina Vick

2 Years Ago

Oh...I have destroyed plenty of pieces. ;)

I'm too cheap to actually destroy the canvas though, I black all out or use white gesso.

Once it no longer exists...I feel better.

 

Dan Daugherty

2 Years Ago

Daniel...Don't use the word destroy, You might try..."Re-configure"

 
 

Stephen Campbell

2 Years Ago

Out of frustration Pete Townsend of the Who would smash his instruments, it was an art form called auto destruction!

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

thats one of my favorite christmas movies Minnie ... for one i looked alot like that kid lol


Stephen, maybe next time i'll destroy the brush instead lol

 

Angelina Vick

2 Years Ago

That's one of my Fav's too. The story takes place in the town I grew up in.


That would be cheaper...lol.

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

i don't know Angelina, brushes arn't cheap ....... :P

 

Angelina Vick

2 Years Ago

Usually canvas is more money...but good brushes aren't cheap.

There are a few more options. Like making it cease to exist, like I do.
Or going to exercise and release that pent up anger.
There's also the glass of red wine route and the
turn on you favorite song and scream it at the top of your lungs option.

 

Shana Rowe

2 Years Ago

I have been feeling this way about taking a photo of my newest painting today, ugh I just want to smash the crap out of my camera, I cannot seem to get a good enough photo!! Plus, I have a cold right now, and am dizzy and light headed so it's making it really hard to concentrate!! Oh well I guess I will just have to only have it up for small prints for now, and try again tomorrow.

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I had to crop out part of the darn photo because of blur, and the color still isn't right!! And I still see a bit of a glare. I have been trying all day, to get the darn photo, and it is just not working no matter what I do!!!

 

Shana Rowe

2 Years Ago

You are right, brushes aren't cheap, and I have been known to break a couple in half, canvas is more costly, I have yet to smash one of those, but I have had to paint over a few. I have also done the whole-turn it into an abstract route, which doesn't usually work as well for me.

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

when i get to that point Shana I usually try to do something else till the mood has changed for for me, easier said than done I know .....

I did try to paint over it but i quickly realised that it didnt matter because it had to much paint on it to accomplish the soft blend i was going after .....that was really the breaking point .....

 

Shana Rowe

2 Years Ago

Yeah, I know what you mean, I'm going to wait and try again tomorrow.

Sometimes painting over it just doesn't do it!! Stinks that you ruined the canvas, but everybody needs to get their aggression and frustration out every once in a while!!

 

Erika Swartzkopf

2 Years Ago

Exercise!!

 

Robert Kernodle

2 Years Ago

Daniel,

You might be surprised that you and I are in the same boat on this one.

I would say that over half the paintings that I ever did could not have evolved as they did without intense frustration.

I am talking about throwing paint-loaded brushes across the room, screaming at the canvas, trashing a 60-hour investment into the freezing cold 3AM night, fishing a first-failed attempt out of the garbage and trying to save it, beating my fist on a drawing, storming out of the room and going for a long walk.

And, by nature, I am a quiet person in real life, believe it or not.

RGK



 

Carmen Hathaway

2 Years Ago

Took advantage of that frustration once upon a time Daniel, & signed up for a refresher class on perspective drawing/basic drafting -- it was what was a hang up for me at the time.

I was already painting -- but since the structure/base wasn't sound -- no matter what -- it just wasn't coming together the way I'd envisioned it.

Great investment too -- once I morphed in CAD art -- having worked with a T-square, drafting table & associated implements made for a smooth transition.

Rendering & illustration techniques studied in the course also laid excellent groundwork in developing my traditional painting technique.



 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

I'm not uprised Robert, I too am a quiet person :)

Carmen, it seems the easier something is the more I attempt to overcomplicate it, your right, a refresher coarse might be quite refreshing, unfortunately thats not what caused this, I knew exactly what i was doing whehile I was doing at lol. I find it interesting that you painted before drawing, pencil for me is like that one blanket you can't seem to throw out, no matter how boring I find it, I still do it .....

 

Gregory Scott

2 Years Ago

Shooting to vent rage is building a bad habit. However, I find that splitting firewood with a sledgehammer, wedges and maul can be very therapeutic. And instead of destroying perfectly good overpaintable canvas and stretchers, you get improved circulation, warmth, and the constructive use of momentum to create firewood for autumn and winter use. It's still to hot, though. Nobody splits wood in the summer. It's great to do it in the late fall when it's crispy cool.

 

William Allen

2 Years Ago

A few years ago, I got fed-up with a painting, and threw it down the basement stairs. I went down the stairs, picked it up, and propped it against the wall. It stayed right there, for almost a year, but once in a while, I'd take a look at it. Then one day, I put it on the eisel, and started working on it again. I used to enter a local art show, for a number of years,never winning anything. The piece that I threw down the steps won a "Merit Award", at that show..

 

Carmen Hathaway

2 Years Ago

Daniel -- no -- I wasn't painting before drawing -- I'd been drawing since back when.

I was attempting to paint without having a sound basis in structure -- BIG difference ;)

Drafting principles/training fine tuned drawing skill.

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

sorry I miss understood Carmen :)


thats a pretty good story William :)

 

Claude Oesterreicher

2 Years Ago

A favoroite quote that came to mind:

There is no problem or situation too large that cannot be resolved by the suitable application of high explosives.

:-p

 

John Crothers

2 Years Ago

Greg,
Why is shooting to vent rage a bad habit?

 

Paul Cowan

2 Years Ago

I deleted a photo once. Does that count?

 

John Crothers

2 Years Ago

Paul,
Did you delete the hell out of it?

 

Minnie Lippiatt

2 Years Ago

Yup love that movie. :o) Ok here is something that will help with fustration.

1. Have dry spagetti noodles close by.
2. Break them and just throw it at your painting.
3. If you really want to have fun cook those noodles ahead of time.
4. Throw on painting and up the ceiling.

You ask why up the ceiling? When you finally get past the rage then you will have something to laugh about when it lands of your head or face. :o)
Remember don't take art so serious. Remember why you do art.

 

John Crothers

2 Years Ago

Those are great tips Minnie! Were you taught those or did you come up with them yourself while you were painting at dinner time?

I'll add one thing. Dip the cooked spagetti in paint and throw at the canvas...abstract art!

 

Mario Donk

2 Years Ago

Daniel
Yes I have destroyed work that was not going to plan. One in particular 4 x 4 foot portrait in tempera, about 3 days work. I stopped as it was not right and painting over it is not an option so I cut it off the stretch and crumpled it up to get rid of frustration. I noticed that the egg tempera did not become damaged I took it out back and hung it on the cloth line and literally beat the crap out of it with a broom, the paint surface did crack but that was all, I then took a garden hose and at full blast hit the paint up close and again beat it with a broom. End conclusion, my egg tempera sticks like... to a blanket, it does not come off. Good to know. So my frustration turned into a useful experiment. I started on a new canvas and painted it again, this time it painted how I wanted it to.

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

I feel your frustration on that Mario, at least you did get something out of it though :)

those are great suggestions Minnie and I plan to try them at least once, especially the precooked noodles lol, I don't tend to lash out, despite how this thread may make me seem lol, my destruction of this painting was quite calculated, I didnt want to look at another painting and see the horror that it was covering up ... lol

anyways, here it is ...

Art Prints

and here's my trusty stick :)

Photography Prints

 

Peter Jai

2 Years Ago

Daniel--Title the piece "broken moon". And the stick "comet"

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

thats pretty funny Peter lol

 

Daniel Rauch

2 Years Ago

by the way, the one thing you can't tell from my crappy photo are the ants crawling on it .... lol

 

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