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Angelina Vick

1 Year Ago

How Many Images?

I have been here for a few years now.

In the beginning, I thought I should throw as much art as I could make on here.
Then, I decided I needed to be more careful, to make sure all I placed here could print well.

At some point, I thought...more than 300 is a bad idea. No one will look through all of that.

I kept culling my images back to 300. But then I hit a point where I didn't want to delete
anything I have left on here. And I passed 300.

A couple months ago, I passed 500...and I starting getting a twitch to cull again.
I looked for anything I didn't think represents me now. 5-10 left the building.

Now...I'm passed 600.

Now, I doubt anyone would look through all of them. But I think having them here increases my chances for a sale.
As I work I produce a variety of things, which will appeal to different people.

What do you think...less is more or the more the better?

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Time to open another account under an alter ego :D

Then you'll be around the 300 mark again.

 

Angelina Vick

1 Year Ago

LOLLLLL

Devilina Vick?

The idea did actually cross my mind. But I cannot think of how to separate it. My mediums all merge together.
My subjects do as well.

I thought maybe my photography that isn't very altered, more pure. But then I want to have the altered versions with them.

I thought maybe my paintings. But I don't think I have enough for a separate profile.

 

Samuel Sheats

1 Year Ago

I just took a peek at your Digital World gallery and if it's indicative of your other galleries and images, I can see your dilemma. Don't know what I would cull, either. Beautiful work! Good luck with that.

 

Mario Donk

1 Year Ago

My observation, an Artist has a one man show, it represents years of work, yet I doubt there would be more on display then 30. It would take him some years again of serious work to produce 30 more, His out put will be very very much more but most will not be counted or its work that helps him get to the image he does want to exhibit.

However it seems a different story with photography as the out put is not unlike producing film at 24 frames a second. Its just too much. Being prolific can be good but only if its great. The idea here seems to be if I flood the area with images surely there must be something the buyer will like enough to buy. I don't think it works like that. However you need more then one as thats all I left in mine at present , but its like a quality shop. the products are good, well displayed and a number of choices but its not a bizarre and it tends to look that way when its got too much work in it. I would be tempted to cycle it if there was a lot, that way it looks fresh, never mind the comments, they are not buying.

 

Angelina Vick

1 Year Ago

Aw...thank you Samuel.

Not just photography either Mario, digital art. While it may seem that I am just producing them 24 frames a second....I am frequently working for months before I present it. I don't think the idea is to "flood the area with images" but to create quality work and show as much of it as possible. Unless Sean starts enacting a limit, what reason does an artist have to limit their images?

I would be tempted to cycle...if it didn't take so much work. Uploading, tagging, descriptions.

I've also noticed...most people that buy my work do not look at other images. They see the one they want...and get it. So if they are picking it up in the goggle search engine, or FAA and seeing just the one I have of whatever they looked for...they are not being overwhelmed with the amount of work I have.

 

Zeana Romanovna

1 Year Ago

Angelina, I would not cull if I were you, and neither would I make another account - you have worked hard to get this far - but - and this is something I need to do myself, I would go into each gallery and sort it out now and then so that two works which are very similar are not together, and put the best up the highest. I often am shocked that something way down in a gallery sells. It's just the way it is - unpredictable.

But ya, sort the galleries like I need to :))

PS: Flooding is not even close to your problem - go look at some photographers that bulk upload.

 

Angelina Vick

1 Year Ago

Hm...you think similar works should be separated?

I think it's better to have them close together, I grouped them that way purposely. Even if I add more to a series, I usually move it to where the others are.
I thought showing them side by side is good...because if they like a design...but aren't fond of that color, they can see variations.

What do you think?

 

Marcio Faustino

1 Year Ago

You can have different galleries for "New releases", "Best sellers", "Past work", or even have galleries with works that represent a phase in your life and in your works like "The sad period (2001-2005)", "The Happy period (2006-20012)".

etc.

 

Angelina Vick

1 Year Ago

Hmm...that's an interesting idea...thank you Marcio.

 

Zeana Romanovna

1 Year Ago

Angel - I found it looks like duplicates. I had the same problem with a couple of works, and decided I really didn't like the look. It's only my opinion, but I would separate them. Have a gallery for each collection, maybe?

I like Marcio's idea.

You could have a "collections" gallery. That way it would separate the same images up so they were there with intent, and not as it appears. Sorry, I'm tired and not making much sense. :)

 

JC Findley

1 Year Ago

More more more and MORE!

The thing is, you probably don't sell all that many to people JUST coming on to look for you. (I don't anyway.) If they do, they have galleries to choose from without wading through all XXX images. They can go to specifically what they want to see.

What numbers do is allow you to cover more areas of the random search. I will use myself as an example. I have around sixty farm tractors. That is a lot of tractors but IF one of my tractor fans comes on and looks for me then 60 is not that many to look through. Or military images. I have > 100 so not overwhelming. Or DC. Or Fauquier County, or barns, or Wilmington NC, or Kansas, or or or....... You get the drift; no one category is to much in and of itself and numbers allow me to cover a broad area of random searches.

Just my $150/hr worth.

 

Mike Savad

1 Year Ago

i have 1950 right now, will be adding more later this week. ever go to a store that had like 10 things inside? how long do you stay? probably about a minute or so. people that are interested in the work will look at everything and want a choice. if they are interested in a certain thing then i want them to see it. people have spent the day looking at stuff. things that i sold were old and forgotten about. if i culled it, i never would have sold it. if i sent it here it's because i thought it was good enough to sell.

now a small package has advantages of course. it's easier to move to one place or another. but more is always better. i will sooner shop on amazon with it's combined amount of stuff in the millions then a local store. i use google because it has possibly more choices then other engines. i may go to dunkin donuts instead of the local store because it has more choices. the list goes on. always have as many as you can. you'll have a better presence in the the search.


---Mike Savad

 

Mel Steinhauer

1 Year Ago

@ JC - " just my $ 150/hr worth " - was that from your first lecture in " Billing 101 " ???

Anyway, I agree that most of our customers who do find us here can simply select one of our galleries that interests them, and not have to " wade through " all the rest. So arranging your works into separate galleries could become pretty important to help them simplify that process.

 

JC Findley

1 Year Ago

:o) Glad someone caught that Mel.

2 cents? No WAY!

 

Mike Savad

1 Year Ago

i would re-arrange it though. like the tools section isn't really that well explained. so i would open a barber and music section. you have a group just for words. and a group just for coffee - yet the coffee group has words and not all of it is coffee. i think it would be better to call it art for your kitchen and dump it all in there. i always divide things by subject and only add things to other categories if i think it's best. i don't like repeating things too often or it becomes confusing and annoying to those who have to sit through the same images over and over.


---Mike Savad

 

Andee Photography

1 Year Ago

It is all about the searchers......searching for art via Google or FAA's version of searching..... Unless you bring the

buyer here they are not going to go through all the galleries. But this is also why I rotate my gallery covers from time

to time to catch someone's attention that I may not have caught before with a different gallery cover. Just like all the

websites have tons of stuff no one can go through it all and the website does not worry about too much product so neither

should we. More chance of a sale with more. People search and do not go through but one image unless they get

curious to click outside of the image they searched for. So culling to a certain number is only hurting your chance to

have the one image someone is looking for. And as we have been drilled in the head we need more Tags/keywords

so each one has a better search and find chance. Culling here is for res and print issues we missed when we joined.

 

David Lane

1 Year Ago

I have over 1600 and that seems low to me I thought I had more.

I'm sure some people just get confused.

 

Jane Schnetlage

1 Year Ago

I think I agree with JC. Although there probably are some people who follow you personally, I think there may be a lot more who come on FAA looking for something specific: a purple giraffe, a farm scene with an antique tractor, a photo of the Cleveland skyline at dusk, whatever. They may not care to look through your whole collection but if you have a purple giraffe, they will see it in search and if you have companion pieces, they may look at those too, especially if you give all the companion pieces/ series similar enough keywords or title to have them hopefully come up in a search too. I believe nearly everything I've sold has not been anyone who knew me personally - probably just searched for something I had. So I think a wide variety of subjects and good keywords might help. You have nice work- I would only cull anything you did not feel good about or felt was too much of the same thing- not just to keep numbers down.

 

Harry Lamb

1 Year Ago

I have to agree with Mike Savad; designers look for specific images for a specific purpose. So if you have your images placed in the right Gallery and the keywords are accurately chosen, then it doesn't matter if you have 100 or 2,000 images. This becomes obvious when you see that the top sellers on Stock sites have in excess of 10,000. Oddly the images that seem to be purchased are the oldies - as Mike pointed out. We never know when an image will be appreciated; but there is a buyer somewhere.

Whatever makes you happy; just make sure you do your best and strive to improve. Remember one thing. No one can please everyone, but we all appeal to someone!


 

Angelina Vick

1 Year Ago

" just my $ 150/hr worth " LOL

Ok...the more the better. =)

I just need to organize my stuff more.

The Coffee gallery has things that aren't coffee because it's a coffee series that interchangeable Mike. I'm not I like the idea of designating a room to it.
Some people might like it in their kitchens, maybe some their dining rooms. It says Coffee and Drinks...which is why my cocktail work is in there.

I think I might rename the work and tools though.

 

Bill Cannon

1 Year Ago

Most people find your images through keywords and google. The more I have on here the more my sales increase. If you are culling your work you are doing yourself a disservice. You may have lost a lot a possible sales........

 

Angelina Vick

1 Year Ago

Thanks for your input Bill. I have, in fact, recently sold two that I nearly culled but decided to keep. So I completely agree.

In the past, what I culled was mostly unworthy for print.

 

Erika Swartzkopf

1 Year Ago

Keep them all and add more, but make more individual galleries so it makes it easy for someone to find a particular subject~

 

Angelina Vick

1 Year Ago

Thanks Erika, I'm trying to think of ways to make them more organized right now.

I used to put images in multiple galleries if they applied to more than 1 category, but I think it's time to make them appear just 1 time.

 

Lynn Palmer

1 Year Ago

Looking at the top sellers on FAA, they seem to have thousands of images. I wouldn't cull just to maintain an artificially low number. Also, I think there may be some images that naturally belong in more than one gallery. A buyer may only peruse the one gallery they think they are interested in. You wouldn't want that one image they would buy to be missed because it was only in another gallery.

 

Mike Savad

1 Year Ago

of course i could also say that the proper number is 42. there by removing my competition.


---Mike Savad

 

Angelina Vick

1 Year Ago

Hmm...interesting points Lynn. It seems to make my galleries redundant to have them in more than one place but maybe that's just my perspective.

LOL...I would not have guessed you to be a Hitchhiker's guide to the to galaxy fan Mike. ;)
So I discovered the question huh?

I know you think we are all in competition, that's not how I see it.

I think you are right about breaking up multiples Zeana. I was recently looking at someone's work who had lots of multiples, seeing them all together at once somehow made each one not that special.

 

Lynn Palmer

1 Year Ago

Think of the galleries as a lazy man's sorting mechanism. They stumble upon your artist page, they see a gallery on a topic that interests them and they are able to quickly review a limited subset of your work without putting in a lot of effort sorting through thousands of images that don't interest them.

 

Angelina Vick

1 Year Ago

I do think of them that way....lol. ;)

That's why I thought it was smarter to make them just one gallery for each image.

Then I'm wondering if how I organize them actually matters. After I make a sale, I go look to see what else they looked at. Rarely do they look at any other image. Just the one they bought.

 

Michael Geraghty

1 Year Ago

I cull every now and then, but a couple of months ago, I removed 250 images complete with all the associated comments. My reason, is that I am revamping a lot of the work, mainly my sculptures which will probably take me about six months. I think it would be a good idea to totally hide a selection of works in various gallery's, as this would enable you to promote at will by hiding and showing various galleries and rotating your themes or styles.

When I look at a gallery with too many images, I tend to only look into the first few pages, on the other hand if there is a smaller quantity I might go through all the images.

Breaking your images down into galleries is good, but your main page really needs a bit of variety, and this can only be done in my opinion , in a long winded way. We need some sort of algorithm that can rotate the images based on views, but with the inclusion of a number of chosen best sellers into the pool also.



 

Brian Wallace

1 Year Ago

Angelina,

"No one will look through all of that"

Yes, I believe it's very important to have the images at good printing quality, but that's an entirely different issue than quantity. Then again, something that is pix-elated or blurry at a specific requested size, may still sell as a smaller size, or as a "card" where the print quality may be sufficient.

I'm assuming through the logic of search engines, that perspective buyers by and large, are not coming to FAA and viewing each artist's entire portfolio but instead are making use of today's internet search technology to at least get in the ballpark of what they're interested in buying. Then perhaps, they may be directed to your material containing the search criteria being searched for. This is why it's so important to have good search tags and key words associated with each image you seriously would like to be purchased.

 

R Kyllo

1 Year Ago

Angelina,

You said, "In the past, what I culled was mostly unworthy for print."

There is an old saying, "You never can tell what will sell!"

You said, "I have, in fact, recently sold two that I nearly culled but decided to keep."

I can't tell you the number of times the ones that I almost "didn't upload" that $old like hotcake$! If it isn't "terrible" it stays! (As long as the technical quality is up to par, and sometimes that is even trumped by the strength of the image.)

 

Lynn Palmer

1 Year Ago

I believe we have one chance to hook a prospective client. No matter how the client finds us--by doing a search or clicking on an image in a contest or clicking on an image they come across under sales--they will land on an image page. From there they will probably select either the Images tab or the Gallery tab. The first images they see on either of those pages (first couple rows?) have to catch their interest. If that happens they will then scroll down the remainder of that first page. If they like what they see they might look at one or two more pages. If they don't, then they probably will move on to another artist.

Based on this I try to put some of my strongest images in the first two to three rows and I make sure most of the images on the first three pages are strong. This applies to the galleries as well. Because some of the viewers are returning visitors, I also try to make sure there are enough new images for them to view so my site doesn't look stale. In other words, I'm continually rotating and moving images around.

You can take all this with a grain of salt since I'm fairly new on FAA without a strong sales record.

 

Brian Wallace

1 Year Ago

Thing is... As someone else mentioned above, I never know (and am usually quite surprised), what potential clients like. Sometimes they like what I consider mediocre and some things I think are my best, are not what others prefer. I Just try to post a range of my better images and I don't worry much about subjectivity. To each their own.

 

Lynn Palmer

1 Year Ago

Brian, you are so right. Some of my most cringe-worthy images receive votes and comments while the ones I'm most proud of languish seemingly unnoticed. I'm still trying to figure out the magic formula. As a result I'm continually posting "odd" images that don't seem to go with the rest. I leave them up for a week or so and sometimes remove or replace them with slightly different versions.

 

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