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How To Get Your Art More Popular So You Can Sell Something!

Posted by: Heather Betty on 10/10/2012 - 6:31 PM

Hi! I'm Heather and I'm sorta' new on this site. I really need to sell some art (which is why I made a account with this XD ) but I can't seem to get anyone to buy? What can I do to make my art more popular so I can sell some of my art?

P.S: I really need the money.

 

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Posted by: Mike Savad on 10/10/2012 - 6:55 PM

if you really need the money i'll tell you all of my secrets.... there aren't any secrets.

have more than 10 images.
have things people want.

Art Prints

something like this tells me your a kid that made this in english class. don't make art on lined paper.

you need more keywords, unless someone types those 1-2 words you have - they won't find you.
put yourself in groups, as many as will fit.

anime is everywhere, but i don't see anyone i recognize, and i don't know of many that will get fan art - especially with your competition from the people of deviant art. they don't have that anime feel to it, they aren't shaded.

anyway, you have to promote yourself everywhere and get a following. i have almost 2000 images, and i only sell every few days. you have 10.

lots of people need the money, but my best advice is to get a job elsewhere, and use this as extra, it's a lot of work, and you have a lot of fans to compete with.



price wise, your original is cheaper than a print - it should be more. many of the images are too small to print. if you can make a certain style that's more recognizable than just calling them an anime girl - which, the one above isn't, because she doesn't have giant eyes. your bio says realistic anime - put that up there. you have to PROMOTE.


---Mike Savad

 

Posted by: Ian MacQueen on 10/10/2012 - 7:04 PM

"don't make art on lined paper."

take that as a challenge and prove him wrong. i like that image. :)

 

Posted by: Heather Betty on 10/10/2012 - 7:09 PM

Well....I do admit lined paper probably wasn't a good idea, but still, i colored it on my computer so it looks fine. I'll try to join every group and yeah, I will get a job...soon. :) Thanks for the advice so far. Tips still being accepted.

 

Posted by: Nature's Details on 10/10/2012 - 7:10 PM

Mike... I am surprised you didn't tell her, to get a "bigger" camera with more MP's. LMFAO

Anyone ever mention, that you can be a cocky, SOB.



 

Posted by: Heather Betty on 10/10/2012 - 7:10 PM

P.S: Not all anime characters have huge eyes. That's a stereotype.

 

Posted by: Wingsdomain Art and Photography on 10/10/2012 - 7:15 PM

"Anyone ever mention, that you can be a cocky, SOB"

I'm sure they have, but let's not get personal. When you have good advice to give, your confidence may turn others off. Heather asked for advice, not an analysis of personalities. And beside, Mike's the only one so far that's given her some sound advice. And no Heather, don't go and waste your time trying to "proof Mike wrong" unless you want to make it even harder on yourself.


-W

 

Posted by: Mike Savad on 10/10/2012 - 7:17 PM

can you clone the lines out?

she's not trying to make bigger prints or i would have told her to scan it in larger. i've been called many things, and thanks.

but i also know what i'm talking about.


the real question is - that one with the lines - or any of them, would you be willing to pay for it yourself and give it as a gift or hang it on your own wall. if the answer is no, then you have to rethink it all. many like cartoons, but they are a fan of certain things. like if you did the one piece panda, or someone in naruto, maybe a minor character - everyone has a fan. or do something with toriko, or some other fun anime, then you could go with that. but there is always the possibility of lawsuit. not likely because there is a lot of fanart, but you never know. i do know you have strong completion. just look at the art in the back of fansubbed manga, i think fairytail, and bleach has fan art that might as well be in the cartoon. that is your competition.

you have to be at least as good as them to really stand out. and that means a lot of shading, etc, anime has a certain look. maybe you can clone out the lines. sometimes you can choose a channel and most of that color will be gone. so like if you took a copy of the green channel there is a good chance that both the red and blue lines should be pretty much gone. or you can make it into a black and white, and use levels, the white eye dropper and select the line. everything will get brighter, but you can adjust that. but that's only if it wasn't colored in. plain paper is easier.


---Mike Savad

 

Posted by: Angelina Vick on 10/10/2012 - 7:18 PM

That's why it sucks to give advice to give advice to noons sometimes. Rude to call people names when they are trying to help help you and unprofessional.

 

Posted by: Mike Savad on 10/10/2012 - 7:19 PM

i've seen about 5000 episodes of about 300 different type of anime over the years, 98% use the large eyes, and no nose the most. the rest use the more realistic japanese eye. mostly used in adults, or different fighter series like bleach, i know kenshin and a few others had eyes that varied at different moments depending how serious they were. the kids usually have large eyes, because it's explained they have wonder, and use large eyes to take it in. plus they like american eyes for some reason, and that's also a partial thing.


---Mike Savad

 

Posted by: Mike Savad on 10/10/2012 - 7:20 PM

what's a noon? besides lunch?

---Mike Savad

 

Posted by: Ian MacQueen on 10/10/2012 - 7:21 PM

"---Mike Savad



---Mike Savad"

glitch in the matrix! watch out for agents, everyone.

 

Posted by: Angelina Vick on 10/10/2012 - 7:21 PM

Stupid auto correct. N o o b s.

 

Posted by: Nature's Details on 10/10/2012 - 7:21 PM

I understand you may know, what you are talking about. But there is a way to give criticism without knocking someone down a peg or two.

As far as images on note paper. I recently watched a program, where a notebook artist was getting good money for sketches. and yes, they were done on lined paper. :)

 

Posted by: Angelina Vick on 10/10/2012 - 7:21 PM

*angel looks around frantically

 

Posted by: Ian MacQueen on 10/10/2012 - 7:22 PM

i was being serious about her using the lines as an advantage...make a bunch of images that way. even include some with crumbles in the paper, eraser marks, etc.

 

Posted by: Mike Savad on 10/10/2012 - 7:24 PM

good old auto check, fun to play with. yeah i saw the glitch earlier, but i was typing. you got two for the price of one.

@tiny - i don't believe i knocked you down, i think you'll know when i do, but i would probably be banned from the forum, and no one likes that.

there are exceptions to every rule, however, the artist your talking about may have certain circumstance that makes it work for him, and i'm sure he had to work up the ladder to sell it. i wouldn't start there. when you saw the image - did you not think, this was done in school during math class?

i try to see things as a buyer would, and things like that can separate how people see you as an artist.

---Mike Savad

 

Posted by: Mike Savad on 10/10/2012 - 7:25 PM

anything is worth a shot. in either case you need far more than 10. aim for 100-200 - to start with. the more you have the more you'll be noticed. but you still need a fan base.


---Mike Savad

 

Posted by: Nature's Details on 10/10/2012 - 7:29 PM

"i have almost 2000 images, and i only sell every few days. you have 10.
lots of people need the money, but my best advice is to get a job elsewhere, and use this as extra, it's a lot of work, and you have a lot of fans to compete with."

Comments like this, do nothing but tear down and is one of the most arrogant lines I have read on an art site in a long time.

You have 2000 images, well done Mike!! How many of them actually sell. I have only promoted about a dozen (unique images) over the past year and have sold 6 out of the group. Have you sold 1000 unique images, out of your 2000??

 

Posted by: Nature's Details on 10/10/2012 - 7:30 PM

i am not saying you knocked me down.... you knocked the person who started this thread down.

i don't like people all that much, but i would never do what you did, on this thread.

 

Posted by: Joy McKenzie on 10/10/2012 - 7:31 PM

Mike's advice is always spot-on, Heather...I always learn at least one new thing myself when I read his responses to people.

I really like that Bunny Girl one....I would try to take the lines out following Mike's directions. Make a copy first of course, and see if you can make it work. When I'm messing around with images, I always make a copy first as I am prone to hit Save without thinking.


 

Posted by: Angelina Vick on 10/10/2012 - 7:31 PM

It was honest. You need a job. Most people can not support themselves on a print website.

 

Posted by: Wingsdomain Art and Photography on 10/10/2012 - 7:36 PM

That's so true. POD alone is not going to support you unless you've done it for awhile and know how to build on it. I don't know of anyone who's currently living off of POD alone, even the heavy hitters have a day job, though the intent or dream I suppose is ultimately to work towards that POD in the sky.


-W

 

Posted by: Mike Savad on 10/10/2012 - 7:38 PM

that doesn't tear anyone down at all. i'm saying that it's hard to sell. being here for a few days and having a handful of things - doesn't help much to get known. art is hard to do as a job. if you need money faster, only reality says you need a job that pays. it's simple advice. you can take it any way you want. but it's also a reality check. fast money and art rarely go together.

out of the 2000 - hard to say which and how many sold. hard to say using that means. maybe 3/4 - but i've been selling them for years on other sites. something for everyone.


the channels things works well on old images with stains, especially ink. each channel sees certain colors. if the image is already a sketch it's a good way to save things - but if it's a color image, then the channel method won't work as well.


---Mike Savad

 

Posted by: Nature's Details on 10/10/2012 - 7:38 PM

Angelina... honesty is one thing, but the way it was put.... not cool and definitely not a good reflection, of a supposed professional artist, who has been at this for a while.







 

Posted by: Nature's Details on 10/10/2012 - 7:41 PM

3/4... wow. that is amazing. 1500 unique images, out of 2000!!??

OK ;)

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Posted by: Isabella F Abbie Shores on 10/10/2012 - 9:06 PM

Heather

Here are some excellent threads and articles to help. If you like a lot of reading :)

http://1stangel.co.uk/downloads/ Dan Turnerís 7 Keys To Selling Art Online
http://fineartamerica.com/showmessages.php?messageid=720538 The Art Of Social-network Marketing Available Online For Free
http://1stangel.co.uk/fineartamerica/2011/07/12/tagging-or-keywords-and-descriptions Tagging, or Keywords and Descriptions
http://fineartamerica.com/showmessages.php?messageid=377664 Marketing Yourself
http://fineartamerica.com/showmessages.php?messageid=431967 Innovative Marketing for Artists - Challenge!
http://fineartamerica.com/showmessages.php?messageid=420132 Niche Marketing?
http://1stangel.co.uk/fineartamerica/2011/07/11/how-do-i-launch-a-local-art-show How Do I Launch A Local Art Show??
http://1stangel.co.uk/fineartamerica/2011/06/23/press-releases PRESS RELEASES what are they and how to use them
http://fineartamerica.com/showmessages.php?messageid=432109 YOUR Print Quality - Please Read
http://www.fineartamerica.com/newsletters/order-fulfillment-partner.html One of the newsletters with some good info on

 

Posted by: Nature's Details on 10/10/2012 - 9:07 PM

Sure Elizabeth :) Heather is getting all the "help" she needs.

 

Posted by: Heather Betty on 10/10/2012 - 9:11 PM

Thanks for your advice guys! I really can draw pretty good, but I haven't uploaded all my pictures yet, so the pictures I have now may look crappy. I liked the line paper style. I am creative in my style of anime. I'm also not doing this art thing for a job. It's just for side money until i get a real job. But thank guys. Spread the word about me please, and I promise more pictures! Thanks!

 

Posted by: Minnie Lippiatt on 10/10/2012 - 9:12 PM

I like how you did this one Heather. I sent you an email. Good luck!
Photography Prints

 

Posted by: Heather Betty on 10/10/2012 - 9:13 PM

Thanks! :)

 

Posted by: Mike Savad on 10/10/2012 - 9:16 PM

tiny - you've been on this site for 2 days. you have no idea who i am and your basing what you know on like 3 threads.

i mentioned the most basic thing that any store that isn't selling has.


how many real stores did you go into that only had 10 products? none. there aren't any. a good store has many things to choose from, the more the better. and the better the thing the more likely it will be sold there and not somewhere else. so far i haven't heard anything helpful from you, more like an instigation.


---Mike Savad

 

Posted by: Mike Savad on 10/10/2012 - 9:17 PM

not to disappoint, but the spreading the word is your job. i have to spread my own stuff. best to open up twitter, google plus, facebook and anywhere else, like fanzine sites.


---Mike Savad

 

Posted by: Tommervik Art Prints on 10/10/2012 - 9:28 PM

Mike is right, 7 eleven has many different things to choose from.

 

Posted by: Mike Savad on 10/10/2012 - 9:31 PM

now i want a slushie...


---Mike Savad

 

Posted by: Wingsdomain Art and Photography on 10/10/2012 - 9:40 PM

Do they still sell the Big Gulp? I can use one !

-W

 

Posted by: John Rizzuto on 10/10/2012 - 9:58 PM

Hmmmm how many real stores only had 10 products..... thats a tough one. Maybe a car dealership or a jeweler who is more concerned with selling quality and high margin products than wasting their time trying to sell 1,000's nickle and dime products just to make rent or barely eek by.

 

Posted by: Mike Savad on 10/10/2012 - 10:02 PM

i've seen jewelry stores have more than that. but if they have the right clients, then i guess 10 is enough.... i do wonder that in the mean time while they wait for the millionaires to come in to buy their their stuff. that place across the street who sells the cheaper things - if they make as much if not more in the time it takes to sell the 10.


---Mike Savad

 

Posted by: John Crothers on 10/10/2012 - 10:03 PM

I know anime is popular (probably more than I realize) but is there a market for it on a place like this? I have a hard time picturing this framed on someone's wall.

 

Posted by: Jeffrey Campbell on 10/10/2012 - 10:08 PM

Peter Lik has about 200 images on his website and seems to do just fine, in my opinion.

Heather, keep producing the type of artwork that make YOU happy. In time you'll develop a following, too. I have a colleague who is going to an upcoming anime concert, and your type of artwork is gaining popularity!!

 

Posted by: Mike Savad on 10/10/2012 - 10:08 PM

i think there is a market but only for popular fanzine type art. usually after a certain person in a certain show. but you would have to be on the ins with people that do fanzine art. it's pretty competitive, each has their own style. it's not like a looney toon where there are certain shapes. anime has a pretty big market. comic con - people dress up like them. pretty sad actually. but it's pretty popular. however, this site, caters to decorators, and i can't imagine them wanting it for their walls (in general that is). i can see original cells from fantasia selling here), but not anime. it might sell better on japanese websites, but then everyone will make anime there. they grew up with it. its on prime time. there is a lot of it. way more than i could ever imagine. i looked back at the directory of things i watched - 713 different series, movies, or seasons. that's a lot, and there is a ton i haven't seen.


but it's only popular to those who know what it is, and those who like it. you would either have to make something popular some how. or copy a known one and see what you can do with that. i know it's popular to make it - but to sell it - hard to say for sure.


---Mike Savad

 

Posted by: Wingsdomain Art and Photography on 10/10/2012 - 10:22 PM

Having more to sell certainly helps. This is the Internet for crying out loud, you have unlimited space, unlike a brick and mortar where you need to generate a certain dollar amount per square feet of real estate. How many items you have here, John? Certainly more than than 10 ?? I have a lot and I think you have more than anyone here.

[EDIT] John, beth closed this thread before i had a chance to respond to your "simplistic" claims subsequent to my post, so here it is. (and since you've started to give both Mike and me pet names like "Mikey" and "Wang", I'm also giving you your own personal pet name "JohnBoy" as in JohnBoy Walton, lol) JohnBoy, you have over 5,000 images here for sale and you say having more is not good advice? And it should have been obvious that more meant more of the quaility products. So put your money where your mouth is, bro, and cut your number of images down to say a healthy 200 like Peter Lik as you have adviced and see how much you sell then !? Because until then, your advice is "simply" hypocritical, and the credibility of your advices is ZERO!

[continue edit]Johnboy, you state in your post that follows, "The number of images I have has nothing to do with this discussion.." The number of images you have has everything to do with this discussion because you gave an advice contrary to what you do yourself, as in do as you say and not as you do! It's call credibility, bro!


-W

 

Posted by: John Rizzuto on 10/11/2012 - 5:53 AM

"Having more certainly helps" is a really a simplistic view. If that was the case someone could take the same image and just must multiple reiterations of it and then be happy with them self because they now have "more images". The number of images I have has nothing to do with this discussion nor my statement about there are plenty of good businesses who do not sell 1,000s of products. As Jeff stated, Peter Lik has about 200 images and seems to do just fine. Telling someone they need more work posted to sell is really really bad advice unless you are in the lemonade stand business. You are basically telling any fool with a camera just go out and shoot anything you want like photos of tractors and post 1,000s of images and you will sell. Good luck with that strategy.

 

Posted by: Mike Savad on 10/11/2012 - 7:15 AM

i think people understand what more images means.... more selection. just adding filler doesn't make sales magically.

more work is more views. john - cut your work down to 10 or lets say 200 and see how well you do. the one image that doesn't sell that you erased, might have been the a person saw and came in because they were curious. unless you have enough work you won't stand out very well compared against everyone else. and that's true of anywhere. people want choices. if your already famous and people really want your work, you can trim it down and still make sales. at the very least you need a lot of work - a lot of GOOD work. but without sounding insulting while saying it, it's better to simply stock your folder.


---Mike Savad

 

Posted by: John Rizzuto on 10/11/2012 - 7:20 AM

And more views equals more sales, right Mikey? Ask the stumbledupon crowd how that worked out for them.... if it is such a simple formula I wonder why there aren't hundreds or thousands of people earning 6-figure revenues from this site then?

 

Posted by: Mike Savad on 10/11/2012 - 7:48 AM

no. did i say that? views have no relevance to sales. and i never said they did. it's fun of you to say that numbers don't matter when you have 5300 images in your gallery.


---Mike Savad

 

Posted by: John Rizzuto on 10/11/2012 - 7:59 AM

If views have no impact on then your advice to add more work to get more views is then really bad advice you are giving Heather. You think people buy art like they are grocery shopping. Look kids it's Tuesday time to go art shopping. Yeah. Get your list out and let's go through thousands of images because we want choices.

 

Posted by: Bob Slitzan on 10/11/2012 - 8:00 AM

@Mike... I agree reality sucks.
@Jeffrey...Peter Lik also has large storefront galleries throughout the world. That's like saying Toyota only has 20 models.

 

Posted by: Mike Savad on 10/11/2012 - 8:19 AM

listen john, do you have advice for her?

views tell you that someone or something viewed your work. it has no impact on sales. however having a large presence in the search or on the site does. i'm not talking about views you can read - you want eyes to see your work. that no matter what word is used, something of yours comes up. if you only had 10 things here john - do you think you would do as well as you do? the answer is no. however you can narrow it down to the best sellers and maybe turn a profit.

and i know you don't have 5000 images of just one thing, you have a selection. more choices, the better your chances at selling things. that's simple logic. and even if it is 12 of the same thing there is a possibility that one of those would be seen. however you should have many different things, of high quality. numbers matter, and you should, of all people know that. saying anything else is just making you a hypocrite.


---Mike Savad

 

Posted by: John Rizzuto on 10/11/2012 - 8:43 AM

As usual the advice that you spew on this site is invaluable Mikey. Why you and Wang are obsessed with the number of images I have on this site is really mind boggling. I will try to type slower so you can follow along. Have you ever asked yourself why it is that someone who has 5000+ images is not running off at the mouth on every thread screaming the secret to success is more images. More images. If you just had more variety you might be able to clear a whopping $10k for the year. With hard work and continual adding of images you will be above the poverty line in 10 years. If you noticed the top sellers on this site, like the guy with the psychodelic dog prints, you will see he doesn't have that many images but yet he sells like the crazy. The key it to develop something that people want and are willing to lay for it. The number of images or variety as you put it has very little impact. People typically know what they want subject wise when they are buying prints online. I do not know a single person who says I want to decorate but I don't have any idea what I want to hang. So let's go to the art market and browse 1000s of images until we see what we want. Hmm a flower. Oh maybe a photo of a blade of grass. Oh wait, he is a painting of Italy.

 

Posted by: Mike Savad on 10/11/2012 - 8:52 AM

why? because your saying that a small number is enough, yet you don't have a small number yourself.

i don't know how he sells things. i'm sure he has methods outside the site. it's none of my business. same with the jesus guy who has 2. it all depends who you know. but yes, numbers are important and you can't say they aren't.

some of an idea of what to buy other's don't. i've sold enough things here to get an idea of what should sell here, and my advice has helped many, the only thing you produce are insults. if your confident that smaller numbers are better, or however it is you sell images are better, than you wouldn't need the amount you have.


---Mike Savad

 

Posted by: Mike Jeffries on 10/11/2012 - 9:05 AM

I think Mike's original advice is sound, Heather asked how to make sales and if anyone here knows about sales it's Mr Savad. The art business is very much like show business and if you can't supply the public with what they want no matter how talented you are then you will probably not make a living from your work.

Heather, we ALL need money but with the best will in the world just 10 images are not enough to even get you noticed in the vast sea of imagery on the net and so getting a day job is your only option at this moment in time. I consider that I have been lucky to be able to make a living from my work but I had to work in the real world until I was in my mid thirties before it was possible to strike out on my own when I realised that there was a market for my type of art.

You don't need to give up your dream of being an artist but in my experience anything worth having doesn't come easy and so you must always strive to produce better and better work and to understand who your customers are and what they want.

Finally if you are to survive in the Art world you need to grow a thick skin, the way to improve is to listen to critique and use it to your advantage. Praise CAN be encouraging but you don't really learn much from it, what you need is honesty and that is what Mike supplied for free from his long experience of selling POD here.

 

Posted by: Isabella F Abbie Shores on 10/11/2012 - 9:07 AM

Mike Jeffries

I am going to leave the last word with you.

I think Heather has advice coming out of her ears now

Thank you everyone

 

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