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Danl Art

3 Years Ago

You're Fired

You have been replaced by bitPaintr.

Can the artist's hand be replaced by a robot's touch? Tech artist Pindar Van Arman thinks so. He's created bitPaintr, an artistic robot that paints portraits using a brush, canvas, and of course, artificial intelligence.

bitPaintr uses a "high-tech tracing machine" to transfer an image from a tablet to canvas, a process similar to the typical pencil sketching technique many painters use before beginning a work.

"Each portrait begins when a user takes a selfie with the tablet," Van Arman says. "The image then appears on the touchscreen where lines can be traced over it. Whenever a line is drawn, the robot dips its brush into paint and replicates the stroke on a canvas. In fact, bitPaintr can reproduce any image in paint on canvas."

Will Mr.bitPaintr be your new competition?

Article: Cait Munro
Photo: Pinder Van Arman

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Abbie Shores

3 Years Ago

Only for people who want to buy a robots work. People who want real people's will not be swayed. No competition.

 

Shirley Sykes Bracken

3 Years Ago

Interesting! Although art is not mechanics, it's intensity and passion and vision and HUMAN!

 

Danl Art

3 Years Ago

Imagine taking a picture and giving it to bitPaintr...wala....an instant painting. Perhaps a dozen or so a day.

Sell it as an original painting on canvas, Sign it and wala again....more money than the original photo.

 

Danl Art

3 Years Ago

Shirley-

"Although art is not mechanics, it's intensity and passion and vision and HUMAN!"

These feelings are those of the artist. People buying mid-priced art really don't care about an artist's feelings. If they can buy an original painting for the price of a print, they will.

People who buy at the hotel hosted "Starving Artist" shows or at vacation spots, couldn't care less about the artist. They want a pretty painting or souvenir.... regardless how it was produced or who produced it.

 

Abbie Shores

3 Years Ago

People are doing this now. Nothing new

 

Danl Art

3 Years Ago

Abbie-

And as this venture expands into coin operated machines, placed in malls and photo shops, etc (as Arman plans)....it degrades the fine art market and human artists.

But then on the other hand, it gives photographers an opportunity to go beyond just a print.

 

Floyd Snyder

3 Years Ago

Been around for a few years already. Seen a demo at of the trade shows a few years back. And don't kid yourselves, you can not tell it is done by a robot.

But it really don't matter anyway. A robot or a hundred $1 a day slave labor, artist in a third world country painting hundreds of paintings a day. Same market and they too have been around for years and years.

Here is something else that is going on.

A year or so back I ran into a team of Japanese funded photographers that were shooting the entire Morro Bay through the Monterey Peninsula coastline with huge, large format still cameras and big screen movie cameras. Dozens of them. This one of the most photographed and painted areas in the world and it include that famous Lone Cypress site.

They are using these photographs to produce art prints and either robot or slave labor original paintings. And again, don't kid yourself, these people are turning out some very, very good stuff.

Some of the people they hired to help with the camera work were college kids studying photography at the local college. I ran into a couple of them in a camera shop I frequent when I am up there.

The company that is doing the work has plans to sell the images for B-role to the movie industry, coffee table books, art prints, consumer items and about anything they can sell in the way of licensing.

They are also doing other famous locations through out the world.

So, ya, there is competition out there at levels we can not even imagine. But that has been the way of the business world for ever. It is called progress.


 

Floyd Snyder

3 Years Ago

"Sell it as an original painting on canvas, Sign it and wala again"

Once again, if you go to the trade shows you will find artist and artists services that will paint original paintings for you right now that you can put your own name on and sell them as yours. This too has been going of for years.

I guess it is time to go bump that trade shoe notice that is going to be in Las Vegas in January.

 

Sharon Cummings

3 Years Ago

How is that different than a printer replacing my hand to make a print? It really isn't. Robots cannot be creative, they can only reproduce. The artist's soul cannot be duplicated!

 

Floyd Snyder

3 Years Ago

Exactly my point Sharon... this is much to do about nothing, imho.

 

David Lane

3 Years Ago

actually robotic painting could be good for digital art assuming the can take my digital images and using real paint actually add texture to digital prints. One of the biggest complaints I hear about prints is they have no texture. This could solve that. Think of them as printers.

 

David King

3 Years Ago

"The artist's soul cannot be duplicated!"

Exactly. A computer will never be able to make the creative decisions that an artist does. The idea that a painting is the same thing as a photograph, just with brush strokes misses the point entirely.

 

Ronald Walker

3 Years Ago

If all you do is copy images then yes.

 

Danl Art

3 Years Ago

People who buy mid-priced original paintings usually do not know the artist... let alone care about his or her soul.

Aside from that....paintings are inanimate objects. The have no feelings. They have no souls.

 

Edward Fielding

3 Years Ago

Everyone needs to be wary of being replaced by machines. Although overseas painting factories are probably the most at risk. Once the cost of the robots fall - poof!

Meanwhile my robotics and programming classes are always sold out.

If you can answer yes to these questions then you are LESS likely to be replaced by a machine:

Do you need to come up with clever solutions?
Does your job require negotiation?
Are you required to personally help others?

Probably the biggest threat to creative workers is that their day job will be replaced by a machine. For example waiters and waitresses have a 94 per cent chance of being replaced by robots.

http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2015/05/21/408234543/will-your-job-be-done-by-a-machine

 

Edward Fielding

3 Years Ago

Photo studios could add one to their business and extend their offerings to include paintings. Perfect up charge for a wedding package.

 

Kevin Callahan

3 Years Ago

The Russians could have a ball with this. Do a portrait using the technology, then have a human "add" a few painterly touches and it's an original painting from a famous Russian painter. Ever been on a cruise? They sell the hell out of them. Famous? Oh yes they told me so on the cruise...

 

Edward Fielding

3 Years Ago

Looking at the current quality of work by this particular machine, I think most can rest easy for now. When IBM's Watson has some downtime and starts looking for a hobby then the art world might get worried.

 

Vjay Ellis

3 Years Ago

Machines have no imagination or instant creative inspiration, so meh.

Hmmmmmm let see how great it'll do with water colors?!

 

Michelle Spalding

3 Years Ago

This is basically just a really cool printer. Not super impressed with the styles. They seem to be very limited/limiting atm. But it looks fun!

 

J L Meadows

3 Years Ago

Portraiture is a limited art form anyway. It has to resemble the subject. Visionary and imaginative works can't be created by computers. Otherwise, Pixar would be staffed completely by computers. But even there, at a studio that creates computer-generated imagery to tell stories, an human touch is needed. Computers are just tools, after all. And this new bitPaintr is no different. It still can't function without human input. Hey, someone has to take the picture for it to paint, right?

 

Cynthia Decker

3 Years Ago

JL nailed it. There has to be a person telling the robot to make the portrait. They're not just out there, rolling around, painting people in parks. So considering that, the robot becomes just another creative tool in a person's hands. It becomes just another medium.

Asimov's three laws of robotics (art version)

1. A robot may not paint an unflattering portrait of a human being or, through inaction, allow an unflattering portrait to be created.
2. A robot must adhere to the color palette given to it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. A robot must uphold copyright law as long as such action does not conflict with the First or Second Laws.

 

Floyd Snyder

3 Years Ago

Cynthia, JL, this is headed to a dark, dark place. In the very near future we will have a whole new government agency with Men In Black types tracking down rouge, I mean rogue, painter robots that have refused to live by those laws. The will be armed with huge soaker gun full of turpentine and carrying huge magnets to wipe out the robot hard drive type brains.

The smart digital artist has a leg up. They should be hieing a Hollywood agent to get the jump on doing the art for the the big screen blockbusters that are sure to follow!

Hey, who is that member that has written a book or two? Wonder if can do a screen play?

 

Edward Fielding

3 Years Ago

More on IBM's Watson - even the smartest computer has limitations:

"Forget about Watson painting the next Mona Lisa or composing a new sonata. Computer creativity has its limits. That’s why the team looked for a field that had a “scientifically creative” focus, rather than pure creativity like music or art.

“With data analytics, a computer can examine various creations and, in effect, measure them against standards. But if you just have a computer create random things, it has no way to evaluate them. You can’t really say that it’s fully creative,” says Pinel. “With scientific creativity, on the other hand, we have a lot of data available that allows us to evaluate the creation.”

http://www.ibm.com/smarterplanet/us/en/innovation_explanations/article/florian_pinel.html

I think Doctor's and Attorneys are more likely to be replaced then artist by Watson.

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Sydne Archambault

3 Years Ago

I wonder if it would a cool thing for the painter who no longer can paint? They could upload their style of painting and still create art!

 

Robert Frederick

3 Years Ago

"Robert Frederick, you may need to pick another example.
I put six paintings in a tread about a year or so back and asked people to pick out the Pollock.
I think it was something close to only 50% of the people that responded picked the right one. The other five paintings were done by monkeys and elephants."

LOL Floyd Snyder. Danl Art must have been part of that survey. But what Danl Art chooses as art isn't his call Its the creator's call. If Pollock says its art, its art. The monkey's just looking for another peanut.

 

Ricardo De Almeida

3 Years Ago

Sometimes humans can't be replaced:


"Help Wanted: Supermarket 'Christmas Light Untangler'


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/untangle-christmas-lights_563cf019e4b0b24aee4a2404

 

Floyd Snyder

3 Years Ago

""Help Wanted: Supermarket 'Christmas Light Untangler'"

I love it!

 

Floyd Snyder

3 Years Ago

"1832: "Photographers will replace artists!" - JMW Turner" (Not that Tuner implies that photographers are not artist. Never did get any respect! lol)

Well we have, haven't we? Does anyone do that any more, paint? I mean after all, all you need is a good robot! lol

 

David Bridburg

3 Years Ago

You guys really fed into this debate. I sense a lot of very worried artists. lol

Dave

 

Danl Art

3 Years Ago

If a robot can create paintings on canvas. And drones can take thousands of images a day....why wouldn't artists and photographers become extinct?

 

Danl Art

3 Years Ago

Dave-

"Me Worry"....a famous quote by Alfred E.

 

David Bridburg

3 Years Ago

Danl,

One of my sisters when we were young in the back seat of my dad's car would inevitably ask,
"what if Murphy(our dog) was kidnapped?"

Perhaps you need to reevaluate your personal needs as an artists. Murphy was never kidnapped. Mangy mutt.

lol

Dave

 

Ken Krug

3 Years Ago

I may have to call on Magnus, Robot Fighter, and hope he just wasn't
a fictional comic book Superhero from the '60s.

 

Vanessa Bates

3 Years Ago

It would really help if you had a little more depth in the topics you bring up, Danl. You frequently miss some interesting points in favor of expressing yet another version of "I'm afraid my art is being devalued by all this new fangled digital art, dangnabbit".

So before I have to get off your lawn, perhaps consider what people have already posted here instead of talking around their points: robots can mimic expressiveness and styles of other artists since simulation has become so much more refined. But they can't invent new art, only blend existing styles.

Maybe this topic would be more interesting if you would ask instead if artificial intelligence is possible and would we really have to worry about competing against such an entity since human perception still belongs to human beings. Maybe even tread on what makes us human and if we value that in our artwork more than simply seeing something new. Or perhaps we could spend our time better by getting back to work and painting instead of proving Socrates right…hmmm?

 

Michelle Spalding

3 Years Ago

Exactly like frozen microwaveable tv dinners made kitchens and cooking completely obsolete, the robotic painting printers shall sound the death knell of the artist.

 

Danl Art

3 Years Ago

'Maybe even tread on what makes us human"

In essence, we as humans (a word developed to define homosapien) are robots. The moment we enter this world we are subjected to programming. Programmed to crawl, walk, talk. Education programs us. Supervisors program us. Families program us. Laws program us. We're programed every day by someone or something.

We are nothing more than a robot with the label "human". Like the "mechanical" robot, artists can not create new art without the proper programming.













 

Danl Art

3 Years Ago

"artificial intelligence"

The intelligence programmed into bitPaintr is human intelligence.

I am not familar with "artificial intelligence".

 

Vanessa Bates

3 Years Ago

The intelligence programmed into bitPaintr is human intelligence.

Hence the word "simulate" rather than "emulate". edit: You did mean by human intelligence, Correct? If the statement stands as it is, then it wouldn't be correct.

I am not familar with "artificial intelligence".

You and the rest of us. But given that it's another never ending controversy, you might enjoy the topic.

https://www.google.com/search?btnG=1&pws=0&q=what+is+artificial+intelligence&gws_rd=ssl

 

Viet Tran

3 Years Ago

...We are nothing more than a robot with the label "human". Like the "mechanical" robot, artists can not create new art without the proper programming...by Danl.


A response to Danl's...


Of Men and Robots

Amazing robots have been sophisticated created and intelligently programmed
to
help
humans do
many different jobs

Unlike humans
robots can work long hours
without taking a break
without making any complaint
without asking for a raise
without gossiping or creating any slight problem at a workplace

More
accurate
and more durable
than any human being
a robot makes less mistakes
and can manage so many complicated or extremely heavy tasks
which humans can't

Regardless
how intelligent a robot could be programmed
it
cannot
do anything
without a command or an intervention from an alive human being

Without
a human's mind
or a human's hand
a robot either stays still until it's fully eroded
or works as programmed until it's fallen apart

Unfortunately

Like
many lousy artists
without any creative talent
robots do not any imagination at all


Robots to humans
as humans to God
with
the slight difference
robots are selfless and loyal to work for his creator
humans who worship God - purely for their sinful souls to be saved

Thao Chuong
2015-11-07

 

Danl Art

3 Years Ago

"The intelligence programmed into bitPaintr is human intelligence."

Absolutely.


 

Danl Art

3 Years Ago

Tran-

"Regardless
how intelligent a robot could be programmed
it
cannot
do anything
without a command or an intervention as from live human being"

And a live human being cannot do anything without being programmed. Same holds true with a robot.

 

Vanessa Bates

3 Years Ago

"The intelligence programmed into bitPaintr is human intelligence."

Absolutely.


No. The word is definitely "by". If you read up on the definition of artificial intelligence, you'll understand why. Go on…I dare you :D

And a live human being cannot do anything without being programmed. Same holds true with a robot.

Ahh. So you're referring to tabula rasa? Yes, you have dated yourself a little.

Then again, perhaps it's impossible for you to avoid starting every thread with the "I'm afraid my art is being devalued by all this new fangled digital art, dangnabbit" premise. Hmm… perhaps "imprinted" would serve your robot theory better.



 

Viet Tran

3 Years Ago

To Danl


Here is the difference between humans and robots


Freedom of Expression and Action Is the Beauty and Nastiness of Human Beings

at a certain level
as
a human being
you have a free mind to decide
what is right and what is wrong for you
and whether you'd better pee on the head of your boss'
and quit your job anytime
you're not so pleased
with
it

as
a man
you have a heart
to love and hate
you could become so emotionally to lose your coolness
and fuck at my face
anytime
when
I
make
you upset

there are both beauty and ugliness within a human being
without
being emotional, creative, imaginative
and unable to think out of the box
a human being
is no better
than
a robot

Thao Chuong
2015-11-07

FYI: Edited version to make it less provoking

 

Danl Art

2 Years Ago

Caihuali Caihuali

Such poetic justice
I could never fathom
Bestowing upon those
Like a fiery dragon

 

Adam Jewell

2 Years Ago

The folks that take Fiverr projects will be able to outsource them and still make money.

 

Andy PYRAH

2 Years Ago

The bane of the abstract painter?

A robot can be programmed to make random, semi random or repeated pattern brush stokes.

Thus it would produce new and original abstract paintings ad infinitum, or at least until it breaks down.

 

Roy Erickson

2 Years Ago

There was a movie, some years back, I keep think Audrey Hepburn was in it, there was a part about everyone she married made "too much money", one was an artist that used gold robots to paint abstracts, each husband died and left her bundles of money. Last she married a poor man and he was out plowing a field and he struck oil - well - an oil pipeline - which made her happy.

 

Robert Frank Gabriel

2 Years Ago

I'm a johnny come lately to this discussion, but it is quite widely known that some animals paint.

Animal-made works of art have been created by apes, elephants, reptiles among other species.....Monkey paintings were exhibited in many modern art museums during an early 1960s fad.

Elephants in captivity have been trained to paint as a form of zoo environmental and behavioural enrichment.

In cases where the artistic work was created by an animal, intellectual property analysts Mary M. Luria and Charles Swan have argued that neither the human who provides the equipment used to create the work, nor the human who owns the animal itself (when applicable), can hold the copyright to the resulting work by the animal. In these cases, the animal's work was not an intellectual creation of the humans, and copyrights can only be held by legal persons—which an animal is not.

 

Edward Fielding

2 Years Ago

The problem is finding other animals with the disposable income to buy them. Rin Tin Tin, Lassie and Hooch already have houses full of art.

 

Gregory Scott

2 Years Ago

You actually don't even need a robot. There is this (not so) new technology called "Photography".

 

Roy Erickson

2 Years Ago

One of the "nice" things about being my age and how much longer I will be around - I'll never be replaced by a robot - I won't be replaced.

 

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