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Ronald Walker

12 Days Ago

Love This Quote!

" People need art in their houses. They don't need Bed Bath and Beyond dentist-office art. They need weird stuff." Ezra Croft. What do you think?

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David Bridburg

12 Days Ago

Ron,

Honestly or dishonestly, lol, I can not promote fine art over that of Home Depot prints. I am actually far more critical of fine art in NYC.

It is each artist for themselves. We can all enjoy that spirit.

But I will say, the fine artist in NYC or now online has a far better chance of making a lot of money. Just my wild guess. Do with that what you will.

Or as some of us say, YMMV

Dave

 

Mario Carta

12 Days Ago

Yes, I'm sick and tired of pretty art.

 

Ronald Walker

12 Days Ago

Honestly Dave I think the quote had nothing to do with money. Seems to me as if he was thinking much more about mental stimulation.

 

Nothing wrong with dentist-office art!

By coincidence, I was just at my dentist a few days ago. He had a wonderful and new framed print hanging in his waiting room. It was a gift from his son that recognized his dad's love of baseball. It was a print of a (fairly) well known painting of "The Greatest All Stars" - and was set in Comisky Park (Chicago) in 1933, site of the very first All Star Game. It was an incredible piece that I must have stood in front of for 10 minutes taking it all in. The original painting was three years in the making by Australian artist, Jamie Cooper. So this is a piece of dentist-office are I would also love to have.

 

David Bridburg

12 Days Ago

Ron,

Part of what I said 'promote', I meant one over the other. Not as in make a buck.

I do not know the author's context regarding selling his fine art to home owners v more commercial art. What was his context?

That aside, I prefer fine art that is different in my home. I would not want prints from Home Depot. Just the stuff off the shelf.

The art I have makes my place much more of a home.

Dave

 

Marlene Burns

12 Days Ago

I can honestly say that the dentists I have gone to, over the years, have had fantastic art....beautifully appointed interiors with high end originals to match.
I'm not sure what the author meant by that quote, any more than I know what he means by weird stuff. Is he an artist? Does he make weird stuff? Is he plugging his work?

 

Ronald Walker

12 Days Ago

In other words, Marlene, designer art? He is a writer mostly.. you can check out what he does easily enough.

 

Yuri Tomashevi

12 Days Ago

" People need art in their houses. They don't need Bed Bath and Beyond dentist-office art. They need weird stuff." Ezra Croft.

- Art in offices is there to please customers and, if customers enjoy it, - then that is the art they need.
- Art in people houses is there to please house owner and his family and friends. If a house owner, his family and friends enjoy it, - then that is the art they need.

Of course some people enjoy weird stuff. But that is not a majority. Not a majority in dentist office. And, I bet, not a majority in most houses.

 

Marlene Burns

12 Days Ago

Ronald, I have no clue how you define designer art... sorry.
I have provided tons of paintings for all kinds of Dr's offices and none of them would fit in a BB&B category.

I looked him up. His photographs are way weirder than I would even be comfortable looking at for more than a NY second. Personally, I found them more than weird..I found them downright uncomfortable and highly inappropriate for most clients I've had, both residential and commercial.

 

Joe Burgess

12 Days Ago

Weird stuff challenges.
People don't like to be challenged in places of comfort.

 

Robert Frank Gabriel

12 Days Ago

Most folks don't know good art (High culture) from bad art, nor do they care.

I care but not many others do. I have a theory about this but this is not the place.

Art is either revolution or plagiarism. Paul Gauguin

 

Abbie Shores

12 Days Ago

My dentist office has, on the ceiling, the weirdest piece of surrealism ever. No idea who painted it....pretty sure it was hand painted for them

You are so busy looking at it, with all its colour and strange things happening, you forget what is happening to you.

It works

 

VIVA Anderson

12 Days Ago

My Dentist, is intelligent,professional,doesn't indulge in weird (on me,thankfully) and provides wonderful art in HER office.
Same as at the hospital, recently, just gorgeous originals everywhere,chosen by the volunteer Artworks committee, fine
folk all.
Me, ?, I like a challenge......but why should that influence Professional's choices for their 'waiting' (looking around for hours) room?
M'thinks 'Ezra' is not 'selling'.........he has to find his audience, weirdo's.........too.

 

Ronald Walker

12 Days Ago

Robert, also a great quote! Marlene, I seriously don't think his personal work is out there very far. I would enjoy having his work around but taste vary. Joe that is a good point, I don't mind it but I have a wide variety of work around the house for different reasons.

 

Ronald Walker

12 Days Ago

Me thinks your missing something here Viva. He is highly successful as a writer and very well known. Abbie, I think I would like your dentist, mine is a yawn fest.

 

Ronald Walker

12 Days Ago

I remember a critique in grad school where the professor, who happens to be a highly respected artist, was looking at a work, not mine. He said "This is a beautiful, very well crafted, well designed, ordinary painting". At the time I was a bit confused by that but now feel I not only understand his point but agree with it.

 

Shana Rowe Jackson

12 Days Ago

I like "pretty" art and I like "weird art", I have a love for most art. I like what I like and hang what I like. Each kind of art has it's place. However, I feel that it is not for any of us to say what art others need in their lives. People need the art they need and they will gravitate towards that. I will echo what other's have said though, pretty art does have it's place, or else it would not be so popular. There is a reason why it is hung in public places and many people's homes. There is nothing wrong with "ordinary" art if it makes people happy to look at it.

 

Susan Maxwell Schmidt

12 Days Ago

I heard someone say weird. You guys are talking about me again, aren't you? -.-


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Kathy Anselmo

12 Days Ago

My mother in-law treasures her portrait of Elvis painted on black velvet she bought in Tijuana flats back in the 1960's. She might be one of the only suburbanites I've known that have an actual original artwork on their wall. That about sums up the "art culture" of most people I know, a complete void... we need to fill that empty space with something, anything!

You're going to hate me for this: I sell lot's of prints (on another venue under a pseudonym) of a high resolution antique 10,000 bill with a portrait of the "orange man" AKA, the president. What can I say: I'm an entrepreneur? PS I did the same thing with the last president. I don't discriminate when it comes to making money. Another way I look at is: it's a way to get my tax money back from the people that take it. Like an art gangster. It's a best seller and you dont need a model release!

 

Robert Frank Gabriel

12 Days Ago

For me, pretty art and weird art fall into the domain of Contemporary Art. Contemporary art is the art of today, produced in the second half of the 20th century or in the 21st century. And it has given us such "treasures" as Conceptual, Junk Art, Pop Art, Extreme abstraction Art, and other such silly nonsense (IMO).

Nope, not for my tired old eyes. I prefer the old school of Painting with its distinctive visual elements, techniques and methods...even telling a story thru the Painting that is expertly "framed" and placed on a wall with decent lighting.

I must admit, however, that a high resolution computer screen can show off a Painting to a fair degree, as well as well produced books.

Now excuse me, I am back to gazing at Bosch's "The Garden of Earthly Delights" Something about Creation, Human Futility and Damnation in the Pits of Hell.

 

David Bridburg

12 Days Ago

LOL sounds worse than social media.......smiling......

Dave

 

Edward Fielding

12 Days Ago

One's art should display their personality not some corporate buyers idea.


Watching home shows on TV one can instantly peg the homes decorated by frequent trips to chain stores.

 

Joe Burgess

12 Days Ago

Chicken or the egg?
I think much of the argument revolves around the idea of corporations defining people's personalities.

 

Lise Winne

12 Days Ago

I used to hate the kind of art I'm painting now. No kidding.

I used to paint more like you, Ronald, only in inks. And a little more detailed.

Do we really know why we're painting certain subjects? I don't.

Do we really understand why we have walked into a certain genre of painting? I don't, other than wanting to be in certain company. Sometimes that is all it is: wanting to be part of a tribe.

And sometimes certain subjects are all we can paint at the time.

If I had run into this piece 12 years ago (it's mine), I would have thought: "Gross! Kitsch! Those butterflies make it look sickeningly sweet! Why in the world would anyone paint that! It's not contributing anything." And after I painted it, I wondered why I painted it too. Probably painted it for my 4 year old self:

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Lise Winne

12 Days Ago

BTW, that lamb is my "weird".

 

Ronald Walker

8 Days Ago

Weird is a weird word, first off for all you "Normal" artist out there a question. "Do you ever have thoughts that you feel you put a unique twist on?" "Do you ever have thoughts that seem off the beaten track to you?" Have you ever taken one of these odd thoughts and gave it legs? (Created a work of art based on it) . That is it, I think you are all much stranger than you give yourself credit for, FYI.

 

David King

8 Days Ago

Having the occasional weird thought is normal.

 

Bonfire Photography

8 Days Ago

I prefer pretty relaxing and pleasing to the eye art over anything else. But to each their own.

 

Marlene Burns

8 Days Ago

Shana,
You are building a good and solid foundation for a lasting career in art. Keep it up!

Ronald, what you are describing is a creative person who thinks outside the box. That would be all of us.
Weird and creative are not synonyms.

 

Shana Rowe Jackson

8 Days Ago

Thank you Marlene! That means a lot!!!

 

Ronald Walker

8 Days Ago

Marlene google Weird vs. creative and see what pops up, some of it is rather interesting since the words are not the same.

 

Marlene Burns

8 Days Ago

This is what I'm seeing for preferred synonyms for creative:
gifted
ingenious
innovative
inventive
original
productive
prolific
visionary


I see nothing about being weird. My position stands on this issue.

 

Ronald Walker

8 Days Ago

You did not google what I asked, that was weird of you! Honestly I think creativity and "Thinking out of the box" are closely tied into weird. My position stands on this issue.

 

Tony Murray

8 Days Ago

Not fair Marlene, you took the easy way and lifted all of those words from my Bio.

 

Marlene Burns

8 Days Ago

Haha Tony.
And Ronald, I did google those two words but you still want the outcome to this discussion to go your way, so I will bow out. ;)

 

Ronald Walker

8 Days Ago

Did you read any of the multitudes of articles on the subject? If not did you notice there were a lot of articles on the subject? Which shows that I am not only one who associates creativity and weirdness together.

 

Marlene Burns

8 Days Ago

I never said that, did I? I don't agree with your quote. period. I don't agree that artists need to keep this persona of being weird in order to be considered creative and I do not want weird stuff in my home.
I simply do not agree with your position, but I understand why you have that posture because I'm guessing you'd classify your art as such.
I'm glad you like weird art, becasue you won't take offense when I say that I think your art is weird,

 

David King

8 Days Ago

The definition of weird according to Webster

"1 : of strange or extraordinary character : odd, fantastic"

Nothing about creativity or thinking out of the box there. I think the bone of contention is the use of the word "Creative" as being a synonym for "Weird". I agree with Marlene, it is not. I do agree with Ron however that "thinking outside of the box" does require creativity, however that creativity does not have to have anything at all to do with art.


 

Tony Murray

8 Days Ago

I wouldn't go by everything Ms Miriam Webster wrote. She didn't even do watercolors.

 

Marlene Burns

8 Days Ago

Tony! Yer killin' me!

 

Ronald Walker

8 Days Ago

I agree with David, creativity does not have to have anything to do with art, nor for that mater weirdness. Toss out the term weird and read the original quote, what do you think Ezra was trying to say? FYI Marlene, I don't find my work to be weird to me since they make sense in my mind. My feeling is he (Ezra) is trying to get people to push the creative packet rather that the same old thing.

 

David King

8 Days Ago

From the "about" on the Amazon page of his book;

"he decided that the art world could use some fresh and innovative ideas and that by connecting fantastic people and their ideas together, art and the world it encloses could become even better. "

I think that probably says it all. I like that he's a big Bill Murray fan, so am I. I went to see "The Life Aquatic With Steve Zissou" with my Mom in the theatre, she hated it, was bored out her mind, I loved it.

 

Ronald Walker

8 Days Ago

I love Bill Murray as well, that may be what makes me like his quote as much as anything.

 

Joe Burgess

8 Days Ago

"I will fight it, then I'll let it live. Now what about my dynamite?" ~ Steve Zissou

 

David Bridburg

8 Days Ago

All artists are within all norms, including creative needs that are very human.

DAve

 

Mario Carta

8 Days Ago

Ronald, I'll go with weird being creative.

Weird: suggesting something supernatural; uncanny.

Synonyms:uncanny, eerie, unnatural, preternatural, supernatural, unearthly, otherworldly, unreal, ghostly, mysterious, mystifying, strange, abnormal, unusual; eldritch; informal creepy, spooky, freaky

Creative=weird, I'm feeling it.

 

Alejandra Flores

8 Days Ago

🙂I agree! Everyone interprets weird differently so why not?

 

Kevin Callahan

7 Days Ago

Ronald, I have been watching this thread. I can not agree with the quote you posted. I too (of course) like what I call "real" art, but who is to say what that is to someone else?

As for "weird", it is my very firm opinion that way too many people in the Arts wrap themselves in the mantle of weird, odd, different, flamboyant like a cloak of invisibility that gives them a free ride to do anything. By that, I mean their personal actions, the product they produce, how they dress, etc. How many times has someone said to you, "oh, well you are an artist, and that explains it."?

One needs to look no farther than the great Henri Matisse for a role model. Nearly everyone who was not close to Matisse thought he must be an odd duck, when, in fact, he was the epitome of "normal." His art was "out there" but not him. Personally, I grew up being a bit on the outside and have spent my life attempting to be normal. Not, though in the art I produce.

 

Ronald Walker

7 Days Ago

If there is a "normal" person I fit that description. Live in the suburbs, married, two kids, two dogs, teach for a living. I don't wear a dog suit, cover myself in jello and go skydiving. I do however like art that is off the beaten path so that is why I like the quote.

 

Bob Galka

7 Days Ago

"Let's strive for mediocrity" -- Danny Elfman -- from lyric of Oingo Boingo song "Insanity"

 

Ronald Walker

7 Days Ago

Bob, went and listened to that song, I forgot how much I like Oingo Boingo!

 

Bob Galka

7 Days Ago

Yep... Danny was and is still a genius. ;O)

 

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