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Floyd Snyder

11 Days Ago

6 Facebook Groups To Promote Your Art Important If You Are In One Of These Groups

I have six facebook groups, some are limited to a genre like Seascape art only or Western art only...

Buy & Sell Art Any Art Any Artist and/or Buyers https://www.facebook.com/groups/213947672404317/

Western Art Buyers & Sellers at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1403150156590398/

Seascape Art Buyers & Sellers at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1473698576246013/

Digital & Abstract Creations https://www.facebook.com/groups/digitalfinearts/?ref=bookmarks

FineArtAmerica https://www.facebook.com/groups/WesternArtBuyersAndSellers/?ref=bookmarks

If you sell on eBay, I also have an eBay group...

eBay Buyers & Sellers https://www.facebook.com/groups/741852785862849/?ref=bookmarks

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Floyd Snyder

11 Days Ago

With the new emphasis by Facebook on groups, I have seen an increasing interest in all of the groups I manage.

I have changed the rules in some of the groups to encourage more interaction because that is what Facebook is looking for.

More Likes, Comments and particularly Shares and Text!

In the FineArtAmeria group that is listed above, we are now allowing more than one post a day and encouraging discussion and comments on individual images.

I want to also encourage Sharing as much as possible. Sharing is how the individual artists can broaden their reach and it also brings more people to our group and ultimately to everyone's FAA gallery.

Text is also very important. When you post to any group in the list above I encourage you to post the entire description along with the image.

 

Rich Franco

11 Days Ago

Floyd,

Here's one of mine, I think you joined already, Topaz Impressions, images, tips and more

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1491076847888451/

Rich

p.s. just joined a couple of yours above.....

 

Travel Pics

11 Days Ago

Good luck in attracting buyers to the groups. Without the buyers, sharing is futile.

I like your art, you like mine; but who's going to put their credit card details in first?

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📷 Michel
🌎 Travel Notes Online Guide to Travel.

 

Rich Franco

11 Days Ago

Travel Pics,

Just one more tool, increases "views" which I heard also helps with search results.....

Rich

 

Rose Santuci-Sofranko

11 Days Ago

Cool! Thanks! I'll "bookmark" this post.

 

Tatiana Travelways

11 Days Ago

Thank you Floyd, I am already on FineArtAmerica and on Buy & Sell Art. I'll check the others too :)

I also invite the FAA travelers to join my "Let's Travel Together" FB group:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/192114574452957/

You can upload your picture and insert a link to it to your gallery or directly link to FB from your gallery page - up to you, but please say something about the location
* Not sure how important the # hashtags are in FB

For the Pnterest lovers I invite the FAA travelers to join the other FAA artists in the "Travel Fine Art Prints at Fine Art America" board:
https://www.pinterest.com/travelways/travel-fine-art-prints-at-fine-art-america/

 

Floyd Snyder

11 Days Ago

Travel Pictures,

We are not discussing the merits or lack there of of using Facebook Groups in this thread. We are trying to communicate with the people already in the thread and have made up their minds that it is something they want to do.

If you want to talk about the pro and cons of Facebook, by all means, start your own threads and have at it.

 

Dan Carmichael

10 Days Ago

Thanks for the list, Floyd. And Rich - didn't know your group existed.

A question, Floyd. I am NOT discussing the merits of FB groups, pro or con.

I am making no statement about whether FB groups work or do not work, whether groups are good or bad.

I am asking a direct question about the groups you listed.

Do you have any evidence buyers are viewing any of those groups?

 

Dan Carmichael

10 Days Ago

Also, should we ask questions about any of the groups here or in the group?

 

Rich Franco

10 Days Ago

Dan,

Can't speak to "buyers" increasing visits or sales, May has been pretty slow for me, so far. According to the "sales Discussions", I've been averaging about 10-11/month. So far, ONE MUG!!! LOL!

BUT, since I've been joining FB Groups, my "visits" have really increased. Last few years, maybe averaging about 100-125/day, now, over 400 and then the last few days since 5/1, 460,793,475,460,793,475,612,480,+++2023+++,814 today! Obviously, many or MOST, BOTS, but STILL!!!

Rich

 

Floyd Snyder

10 Days Ago

Nothing has changed in years that I have been promoting in groups as far as being able to prove that sales are being made at FAA by people from any groups. FAA does not want to supply us with the tracking that it would take to verify it.

Like Rich, I do know that I get a ton of views in direct relationship to the number of posts I make to both Facebook and Twitter.

90% of the posts I make on FB I make to Groups. I used to run a much more aggressive program then I do now. I was posting in 200-300 groups on an almost daily basis. Now I mainly post in my own groups and a few others and I promote my local gallery sales in about 25 local FB groups.

I will tell you that I have had direct sales from FB groups in my local galleries where people have told me that they have seen the art on FB.



 

Floyd Snyder

10 Days Ago

"Also, should we ask questions about any of the groups here or in the group?"

I have no problem with questions about the groups as long as they are made in good faith as I am sure your's would be.

I just didn't want to hear for the 1000th time how the same people hate FB or Twitter or don't believe in SM or advertising at all.

But sure, questions about the groups are more than welcome.

 

Floyd Snyder

10 Days Ago

"Not sure how important the # hashtags are in FB"

Tatiana, I am like you. I am not sure about the use of # on FB either. Some people say it does not work at all. Others say they do.

The best article I read on it said you had to start with Twitter, click on the hashtag that you want to use and then make your post on FB based on what you learned or seen on Twitter... Waaaaaay! To complicate for me! But it did kind of make sense. But I am trying to shy away for yet another learning curve at my age... lol

I don't mind a few #hashtags. But I really hate seeing a great big long list of #hashtages.

The other thing I don't like is people that are selling tchotchkes and even some of the FAA merchandise when they post the actual cup or phone covers or spiral notebooks. In almost all of the groups, I run I have been deleting those posts UNLESS then come from an FAA member.

My thinking is that the non-FAA members are drawn to the groups by the images themselves, not the products. I could be totally wrong on that. I allow the FAA products because the theory is that any link that goes back to FAA or Pixels is likely to benefit any FAA member if the shopper starts looking around once they get to FAA.

Keep in mind that is the main theory that Sean is pushing in his Transparency thread and has been pushing since he launched FAA.

 

Dan Carmichael

10 Days Ago

@Floyd
"...I was posting in 200-300 groups on an almost daily basis...I promote my local gallery sales in about 25 local FB groups."

I'd sure like to know how you did / do that. I posted the same pic into two different facebook groups and they stuck my rear end in the penalty box for supposedly spamming.

 

Dan Carmichael

10 Days Ago

Floyd,

LOL.

The "question" I referenced earlier was about the Seascape group and stuff I saw that I would not call a seascape.

But then I read what you wrote as admin to the group:

"I am beginning to think that people are either too stupid to know what seascape/nautical art is or they are just so frickin' rude that they just do not care!!!"

LOL. I guess that answers it!

(And BTW, it's the later. I learned long ago that people shotgun stuff wherever they can, and couldn't care less)

 

Floyd Snyder

10 Days Ago

In the Seascape group, we allow anything nautical including sand dunes, boats, and wildlife or any waterscape like rivers and streams.

It is self-governing in the sense that I can't be there all the time and if no one reports the abuser I don't always see it and get taken down.

The other problem is if you make a group a Selling Group, where anyone can make a post with an item for sale, Facebook gives them the option to auto-post that Sell Post in all the Selling Groups the poster belongs to. They do not take in consideration that the groups my be limited to genre or theme.

These are honest violations where the poster is not even aware it is happening to any great degree if he belongs to a lot of groups.

If you want Dan, I can make you an admin and you can delete them as you see them.

 

Floyd Snyder

10 Days Ago

Things have changed since I used to do that but I did about 100 group posts a few weeks ago promoting a series of Master's golf prints I have. I did not get put in FB jail. These prints were in my eBay store and I sold two of them. They are Limited Edition prints. You may have seen them in some of the groups.

I only posted them in golf and sports groups that I have been approved to post in and in groups that allow any images as long as they are art.

If you are posting stuff in groups that the owner of the group wants, he is not going to report you for spamming because it is not spamming.

When I see a post I do not want, I never report it as spam. It is not my goal to get anyone in FB jail. I just delete the post and put the gu on Post Approval meaning I have to approve every post. The only time I report a spammer is for violence and vulgarity.

 

Floyd Snyder

10 Days Ago

On any of the themed groups, Western, Seascape and Digital/Abstracts when it is a toss-up as to rather it belongs or not and it is an FAA member, I allow it. If it is not an FAA member I do not allow it and I will delete it if I see it.

Again, I am looking for ways to draw people to FAA because I believe it benefits us all.

 

Dan Carmichael

9 Days Ago

I know very little about FB, Floyd. I did not realize that to be put in the FB jail you had to be reported. Both groups I posted to I joined and was approved, so assumed I was allowed to post. I will say I was in jail for only an hour or so, being released with a "we made a mistake, sorry for the inconvenience" notification from FB. I assumed it was some sort of auto-algorithm that was triggered.

I'm wondering about your groups and art groups in general. Is it good form or bad form to post videos? Note the videos have no sound, the "art" fits the group rules, and it is simple quickie stuff with typical Ken Burns pan/zoom style editing. I guess I would need to ask each admin.

 

Floyd Snyder

9 Days Ago

I think anyone can report a post as spam, not just the admin. But that is a good question to look into.

A lot of admins do not like Stories or Videos because it takes time to review them and make sure it does not turn into some sort of hate speech message at the end. Trust me when I say that is happening. I have reviewed videos with the first half all great art and then it ends up with some sort of hate thing that has nothing to do with art.

So, this again is where I make an exception for FAA members. I will approve videos because I trust FAA members.

When it comes to videos, I have never personally bought into using them on FB or the Internet. I very rarely watch a video on FB or any SM. Too many of them are poorly done or are nothing but click bait.

Not saying they are not valid. I just don't like them myself.

 

Dan Carmichael

9 Days Ago

Fair enough and good points. I'm only considering videos because all the so-called social media experts say videos result in more engagement than static images, and that video is the future of all social media.

And back to the thread subject, it's commendable you trust FAA members in your groups, but I'm not sure they are any different than the population in general. I have seen people post pics of asparagus to groups titled "Oranges Only." IMHO the "just don't care" attitude on FAA is the same as it is everywhere else.

Thanks, Floyd.

 

Floyd Snyder

9 Days Ago

Here is an idea I have been kicking around but I would have to find an administrator to run the FAA group.

I was thinking of opening up a group on FAA that tied in with the FineArtAmerica Facebook group.

The group on FAA could run monthly contests and the winners would be posted on FAA for a month as the Pinned Post and the image could be the banner image for the same month.

Everyone would be expected to share the images from the group to the FAA FB group. They would have to do it themselves because it would be too big of a job for one person.

For the images that get featured in the group, we could come up with some sort of special recognition that gets noted in the FB group.

Does anyone want to take that on?

I think I will start a thread to see if anyone is interested in doing this.

And yes, I see there are already versions of this idea going on. Totally support their efforts but my thing is more is better than less when it come to exposure.

 

Sandi OReilly

7 Days Ago

Thank you Floyd, joined two of your groups, other have already joined. I joined as my page, let me know if that won't work. Thank you!!

 

Floyd Snyder

6 Days Ago

Well, I have been trying to understand the new FB Group rules and procedures from both a member of a lot of groups and the administrator of several.

I am totally confused and frustrated with trying to figure out what does work the same and what does not. I have talked to several other group owners and they seem to be confused as I am.

I am able to post in some of the groups I have been posting to for years and in others, I am not. I talk to the admin and they say they have not changed a thing and have no idea why that is.

They have really turned this into a mess, IMHO. Either that or I am just getting too old for these kinds of learning curves.


Is there anyone out there that would like to run any of these groups? Maybe fresh eyes with more patience can figure it out.

 

Floyd Snyder

6 Days Ago

For anyone interested, here is a brand new group I just started. Actually, I took it over some time ago but just reformated it from a Hot Newsgroup with few members to an Arts & Crafts group for all artist and for people that do crafts that may not fit really well in paintings and photographs

Artists & Crafters of the World https://www.facebook.com/groups/1836089343289694/

 

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