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Judy Kay

7 Days Ago

Fb Groups

I just joined a few more groups on FB but am starting to recognize potential problems . FB does not allow you to join groups based on your business page profile but based on your personal profile. Therefore, if you post a link in that groups from your page profile it would appear as spam making you vulnerable to being put in FB jail. How can you avoid this problem?

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Jessica Jenney

7 Days Ago

Judy, it depends on the setting the administrator sets for the group. They can choose to allow pages to post or not.

Allow Pages to request to join as group members.
Don't allow Pages to join as group members.

 

Mike Savad

7 Days Ago

i never used them that way, i always join as myself. and from there see what their spam rules are.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Judy Kay

7 Days Ago

Jessica I have not seen that option but will check it out. Mike I join as myself too but believe that by posting as Judy Kay Art is when things get "muddy"! FB does not support groups from business pages anyway according to a message I got from the FB team when I inquired, You must join groups with a personal profile, not as a page according to FB,)
It gets difficult trying to keep group administrators s happy and FB administrators too,

 

Jessica Jenney

7 Days Ago

Judy you can only see that option if you are an administrator

 

I think many Group Administrators are not using the option for pages to post yet. This is a relatively new development from the great minds at FB. Of course the idea is to funnel folks to purchasing advertising and using their purchasing options.

It certainly has made it a bummer for posting from a business page as it used to be. Just another step on the stairwell.

 

Judy Kay

7 Days Ago

Jessica why would I be anything else? Its all so confusing ,,,Glenn so true and I suspect it will get more complicated now with the recent announcement of the major changes with FB as it relates to Pages and personal profiles ,Oh well, back to the drawing board!

 

Jessica Jenney

7 Days Ago

Judy, you can post links from FAA or your AW to the group as yourself. That's what most people do.

 

Judy Kay

7 Days Ago

Thanks Jessica,..Seems a little tedious but a possibility at least,

 

Floyd Snyder

7 Days Ago

"Of course the idea is to funnel folks to purchasing advertising and using their purchasing options. "

Yup, that was my first thought also. I thought we were going to see FB ads showing up in the groups as they do on our Timeline all day long. So far that has not happened.

Still waiting...

 

Floyd Snyder

7 Days Ago

As for the Admin settings to allow pagers... that is not a perfect world.

All of my 11 groups are set to allow pages but I have at least one FAA member that has not been able to join any that she has tried for some reason. And of course, there is no support from Facebook. But it has to be on here side because so far no one else has mentioned to me that they have the same problem and it is for all of the pages she has tried not just one.

 

Sandi OReilly

7 Days Ago

I cannot post from my business page directly into any groups I have been able to post directly in for years now. And I cannot upload from FAA/Pixels onto my timeline directly or share an image to my timeline from my page. Of course the ads boost is everywhere. Glad I read this post. The ads are coming through my news feed worse than twitter and large ones. Floyd will check out your groups and see which ones I am in and need to be!!

 

Judy Kay

7 Days Ago

I had the same ability from the share drop down menu to share from my page too Sandi but it disappeared. Now it’s more tedious/ repetitive to post to groups! I cannot imagine what will happen when FB implements the new changes from the post you shared recently!🤷🏻‍♀️

 

Floyd Snyder

7 Days Ago

Sandi, if you go to your FB Home page and look on the left-hand side you will see Groups. If you click on that it will give you a list of all of the groups you are in.

You are not in
Western Art Buyers & Sellers
Digital and Abstract
Seascape Art Buyers & Sellers

You are in
Buy & Sell Art Any Art Any Artists
FineArtAmerica

 

Dora Hathazi Mendes

6 Days Ago

If you go to your page and want to share a post directly from your page to a group, you have to change under the image at the little arrow down to share not as your page but as you. That way you can share from your page to a group which allows. Not need to create a post separately at the group.

I just learned this here recently when I had the same problem

 

Floyd Snyder

6 Days Ago

Thanks for the tip Dora but unfortunately that is not a sure fix either. Maybe it will work for some.

That seem sot be the problem. What does and does not work seems to differ for every post I have made and depends on where I want to share it. Very maddening.

 

Susan Wiedmann

6 Days Ago

Floyd, when I joined your Seascape Art Buyers & Sellers I got the option of joining as my "Up Close With Mother Nature Photography" page, which I did. The "interacting as [my page] option is shown on the left side below the group's name. All is well.

However, I tried doing the exact same thing for your FineArtAmerica group, and as of today, I don't get the "join as page" option and get accepted instead as my individual profile name, which I don't want to do. Did you also change that one to now allow pages to join? Thanks!

 

Floyd Snyder

6 Days Ago

Susan, those are the kind of inconsistencies I am seeing. When I saw you were able to join the Seascape group I was very pleased and assumed you were asking to join the FAA group, but your request to join was not there.

I compared the setting to the Seascape and the FAA page, they are exactly the same so I can not tell you what is going on.



 

Jessica Jenney

6 Days Ago

From your page click on share under your FAA link and you will see a dropdown to share to a group


 

Susan Wiedmann

6 Days Ago

Jessica, thanks, but that doesn't let me join the group as my page, which is what I am trying to do. It lets me make a post as my page.

 

Susan Wiedmann

6 Days Ago

Floyd, I just tried to join the FB FAA group you moderate again. Please PM me with what you see. I "joined" from my Page.

 

Jessica Jenney

6 Days Ago

Susan, that is up to each group admin to allow for pages to join.

 

Susan Wiedmann

6 Days Ago

Jessica, Floyd told me he has done that. It must be even more frustrating for him!

 

Floyd Snyder

5 Days Ago

All of my groups are set of pages to join. People are still having problems joining.

Facebook has not got this working with the reliability that it should be.

Susan I did finally see your new profile show up and I approved it for FAA group. Welcome aboard!! I take it that is not the original page you wanted to join with?

 

Susan Wiedmann

5 Days Ago

Floyd, I had to leave the FAA FB group, again, since I want to keep my individual profile and Page completely separate. Need to concentrate on other things for the time being and will deal with FB groups down the road! Thanks.

 

Judy Kay

5 Days Ago

For a while when I tried to share it would not populate any of my groups to choose from,,,but now it does, But the problem I foresee is that I may get jailed because I am joined as Judith Smith but will be posting as Judy Kay Art,thus ll appearing as an intruder! Anyway I will try and hope for the best,
Susan I messaged FB about the problem that I wanted to join the groups as a page but they replied that they do not allow that .; you must join with your personal profile)

 

Floyd Snyder

5 Days Ago

Judy, that is exactly the kind of inconsistencies I am seeing from Facebook.

If they are not allowing people to join as pages, then why have the option in the admin control panel to allow pages to join? And why am I a member of several with one of my pages?

This is just craziness going on right now.

I am hoping that this will all get fixed and things will settle down in a month or two.

 

Dan Carmichael

5 Days Ago

@Judy
"I messaged FB about the problem that I wanted to join the groups as a page but they replied that they do not allow that .; you must join with your personal profile"

But Facebook added the option for admins to accept pages. Floyd is correct - things are screwed up now. Facebook's right hand does not know what its left hand is doing. (Not uncommon for FB)

Judy message back that admins have the option to accept page joins. And to please clarify. See what they say.

 

Dan Carmichael

5 Days Ago

From article:
https://newsfeed.org/how-to-join-a-facebook-group-as-a-page/

"Facebook groups are part of the day-to-day activity of Facebook users, and in terms of marketing, they present great potential for businesses. Anyone can join a group with a personal profile, but it is also possible to join a group as a Facebook page.

If you want to become a member of a specific group with your Facebook page, the process is very simple. First, you need to find a group that interests you. Then click the “Join Group” button to choose if you want to become a member with your personal profile or Facebook page.

If it is not possible to apply for group membership with a Facebook page, this means that group administrators do not allow this option, or that you don’t have this feature activated for now.

Conversely, if you own a Facebook group and want to allow pages to join your community, the process is as follows:

1. Click the button… Others.
2. Select Edit Group Settings.
3. At the bottom of the settings you will find Site Membership Requests and you can decide if you will permit Facebook pages to join your group or if you won’t allow pages to request group membership. Existing pages in the group will remain, but can be deleted manually if needed; they will just no longer be able to be added."

 

Dan Carmichael

5 Days Ago

And from another article:

How do I actually join a Facebook Group using my Page?

People have been having mixed success with this, so there are some things you can try. When you join a group for the first time, you’re given the option how you want to participate in that group (you individually, or your page). Choosing this option at this point is the easiest way.

If you don’t have that option (because you’re already a member of the group), it seems that you’ll need to leave the group and rejoin.
If you see the option, but it doesn’t list your page, the option isn’t available for your page at this time.
If you don’t get the option at all, then either the Group admin has disabled this option, or it just hasn’t rolled out to the Group at this time.

 

Judy Kay

4 Days Ago

Thanks Dan! I recall seeing only on a few isolated occasions I would get a dropdown menu wanting to know if I want to post as Judy Kay Art or personal profile, I'll explore the options you gave ,,

 

Floyd Snyder

4 Days Ago

Thank you for posting that Dan!! I really appreciate the effort you have put into this and sharing it with the rest of us.

The problem still remains the system is not working on a consistent basis. And this is not totally to do with the recent changes. It has been screwed up for some time now.

I have FAA members that I have been working with for nearly a year and they can join some of my 11 groups but others they can not. The settings are all exactly the same. And no, it is not me being selective. I have NEVER blocked or not approved a request for membership from an FAA member in any of my groups. I have banned one or two because they became disruptive and/or posted political crap or pornography. But now I don't do that. I just put them on Post Approval and only approve appropriate images.

Facebook is far from a perfect world.

And now they have changed the Sharing. What can be and what can not be shared. Worse than that they are blaming the group owners for THEM blocking what they "censor" as "Not Consistent With Community Standards". I have people that have been members contacting me and asking whey I blocked their post and I never even seen the post. The send me the image via IM and it there is nothing offensive about the image and I would have approved it in a second, no questions asked.

Facebook has made a mess of the group thing.

However, I am the eternal optimist! I think they will get these things worked out as they move forward...

 

Jessica Jenney

4 Days Ago

Judy I see you posted your fb page in my group :"Trending Art". That is not joining as your page.Do you see at the top of the group on the left where it says interacting as yourself? You can choose how to interact with the group and join the group as your page.

 

Floyd Snyder

4 Days Ago

Yup, we touched on this in a few other threads stating a month or so back.

Facebook is downplaying Pages and turning their focus to Groups to the point to where you are going to have to interface with groups from your profile page, not your "pages". At least that is what it is looking like to me.

I can only post from my own pages only to groups where I am the administrator now. None of my other groups where I am just a member. Not all of the fly down menus are giving me the option to select how I want to interface with the group. I posting first to my Timeline then from there I can post to any group.

Still not able to post from group to group. That is still inconsistent. But I am still working with it. Too many interruptions to figure it all out at once. :-)

 

Susan Wiedmann

4 Days Ago

Jessica, the problem is that "interacting as" usually does not appear after joining a group even if the group's admin has okayed the Pages-allowed option.

 

Dan Carmichael

4 Days Ago

As has been said many times, behavior is inconsistent. Works for some groups, not for others. Works for some pages, not for others.

Floyd,

You are correct. It's a mess. Especially considering that Zuckerberg himself said at the F8 Dev. Conference that the future of facebook is groups.

It's just too big. Like turning an oil tanker at sea. Inter-departmental communication seems to be non-existent. Everybody is trying to change their corner of FB at the same time, and some changes are actually interfering with others. Sometimes it really does seem like they don't know what they're doing.

 

Judy Kay

10 Hours Ago

UPDATE: I was all excited because I shared a image to my FB page and was then able to hit the share button and populate my groups to share the image to, .( This option had been disabled). I just learned that what I posted to the groups was not what was intended, Apparently FB changed the image to make it appear that I was sharing my FB page not the particular image, By doing this It puts me into a potential spammer for sure,
The problem IMO is that decisions are marketing (eg sales) driven!

 

Jessica Jenney

10 Hours Ago

Judy, you were sharing your fb page in my group today. Have you tried to share an image from your page to the group. It works that way.

go to an FAA image link on your page, then click share underneath the image link. Then Share in a group and put the group name (checking the box for include original post or not).

 

Judy Kay

7 Hours Ago

Jessica that is exactly what I did, I shared a photo of a red necked hawk to my FB page, On the post itself I hit the share button which populated the different groups and I shared to 3 groups ; Instead of it sharing the image of the hawk it shared my website instead, Im not off to a good start with the new groups,,

 

Jessica Jenney

7 Hours Ago

Judy, I removed you from the Trending Art group, so now you can join again as your page. Click on join under the cover photo and join as your page.

 

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