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Ronald Walker

9 Days Ago

Art Is Better Than Ever!

Often when looking at art people focus on the big money shock artists, Such as the banana dude. When I say “art is better than ever” I am talking about overall. We are free to follow our own direction more now than ever. Not only that, but if you feel the need, you can find other artist of similar ilk easily on the internet, you never need to be completely isolated unless that is what you wish. Despite the stress and woes of our times we are, in my opinion, right in the middle of a renaissance, perhaps greater than the last one, long live art! Am I psychotically overly positive or do you feel the same way?

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David Bridburg

9 Days Ago

Art asks more than ever, what is art?

LOL

Dave

 

Drew

9 Days Ago

Of course it is. We are here aren't we?
Also, there are over 7 billion people and the looses definition of art that ever existed.

 

Douglas Brown

9 Days Ago

Art to me is simply a medicine that you look at, if you don’t like the taste you move on to the next one, but art truly is the best medicine.

 

Mario Carta

9 Days Ago

I must agree Ronald even though I'm often a contrarian at heart, so I must qualify your statement or at least tweak it just a little bit to fully agree. "My Art Is Better Than Ever" Lol! :-)

 

Ronald Walker

9 Days Ago

Here is the thing about art that is cool , if you are the type of person who likes to tape a banana on the wall and sit back and philosophize, there is a place for you. If you are a person who enjoys the technical challenge of photorealism, there is a place for you as well. Some might look at the banana and think it is a silly waste of time or a scam. Some might look at photorealism and think it is a waste of time and effort, since a camera can do it faster but that is unimportant. The important thing is it is what you wish to do and challenges and fulfills your needs. Most likely there will be others who agree with you and that can help and encourage you along the way. What is art? Each artist must answer that for themselves. From my personal point of view the banana would not work, I would find it to be no fun. That is my view of most conceptual art. Conversely photorealism is too constricting for me, so not my cup of tea either.

 

David Bridburg

9 Days Ago

Unfortunately or fortunately, depending on your circumstances, the actual question might be, what is marketing?

If a tree falls in the woods, but no one hears it?

Dave

 

Kathy Anselmo

8 Days Ago

Politicians, world leaders, scientists, activists, ideologies, great civilizations, bad civilizations, wars, empires all come and go: but the artists have the last say, they always have and always will. ARTISTS RULE THE WORLD!

 

Drew

8 Days Ago

"Here is the thing about art that is cool , if you are the type of person who likes to tape a banana on the wall and sit back and philosophize, there is a place for you"
I say, do as one wishes! For this is an intricate part of the dogma pushed in Modern Art Philosophy.

 

Ronald Walker

8 Days Ago

Kathy I agree!

 

Mel Steinhauer

8 Days Ago

Ronald....You are absolutely right "Art is better than ever!"

With our ever-increasing world population.... that fact alone simply means there are more people than ever that may want to create art. Whether it be great art, beautiful art, mediocre art, bad art, ugly art, controversial art or whatever.

Then consider the many advances ( just in the last 50 years ) in the ways to produce, reproduce, copy, print, manufacture, assemble, publish, edit, manipulate, broadcast or otherwise display those creations on such a wide variety of media to anyone in our world with computer access, then surely " Art is better than ever!"

 

J L Meadows

8 Days Ago

"90% of anything is crap" - Stugeon's Law.

And unfortunately, crap sells. Especially in the case of art (I'm looking at you, banana-taped-to-the-wall).

 

David Bridburg

8 Days Ago

Kathy,

Respectfully, neither of us get to rule the world, much less a vote, after we are dead.

It boils down to marketing. Rubens' was good, Michelangelo's was better.

Anyone can see crap. It is not a sport for only the elite.

We might surmise most of it is crap, but there is more to art than being judged. There is also what fascinates human beings. The banana being an excellent case in point.

Sometimes art is nothing more than rubbernecking at a car crash.

Dave

 

Ronald Walker

8 Days Ago

What’s interesting about the banana is looked at from certain perspectives it makes sense. My main issue is just simply I find it boring. I get bored reading about it, looking at it and certainly would be bored making something like that. However just because it holds no real interest to me does not mean others may not like it, respect it and find it fascinating. The banana which falls squarely under the umbrella of conceptual art, is in vogue these days but it’s time may be limited, very hard to tell. In any case though it’s not my thing, I believe most artist are sincere in what they are trying to do and not trying to scam anyone. It is possible I might be in the minority in this opinion but seriously I would think there are far easier ways to make money.

 

David Bridburg

8 Days Ago

The shock value wore off fast. That was true for all of us. It is now just a lame joke to any of us.

The rubbernecking is gruesome. Art is suppose to have better aesthetics than that.

But does it? Should it? And why?

I think marketing is meeting an audience and engaging something more, but only over time. Does that make art exclusive?

Dave

 

Abbie Shores

8 Days Ago

Does making it more available make it better? I don't think so. There's some real crud there, like bananas on walls. There are more and more people constantly whining all over the web when they don't sell also.

No, I don't think it's all good. If anything I think it's shut doors and helped insecurity complexes.

Badass bananas are rare and I've not met one yet I'd buy

 

Mario Carta

8 Days Ago

I think someone should make a better banana, maybe one coming out of the wall half peeled that never rots. Might not be a bad idea for a steel welded sculpture.

 

Drew

8 Days Ago

From my FAA profile page:

"With Modern Art Philosophy, controversy over quality takes precedence.
A lot of artists are absolutely dependent on this dogmatic inference. Many of the masters of modern art, first developed their skills to a high level then bent the rules established by the academic schools thus establishing defiance an challenging the establishment.
Now the art world is awash with artists who skip the high skill development stage and go straight to the controversy. They are dependent on said dogmatic rules of the emerging Modern Art Philosophy and are willing to conform to said dogma because this is way easier than going through the process of the masters before them. They choose to conform therefore there is no originality because they are following a script conforming to Modern Art Philosophy, the new establishment."

 

Mario Carta

8 Days Ago

Maybe philosophy has no business masquerading as art?

 

Roger Swezey

8 Days Ago

To me absurdity has a significant place in art.

As a confrontation with the pomposity of conformism.

 

David Bridburg

8 Days Ago

If you are highly skilled as an artist today, are you cast aside?

Dave

 

Mel Steinhauer

8 Days Ago

@ Abbie,

Perhaps I meant that when more art is more available to more people ....it is better to appreciate, to admire, to enjoy; as well as it is to dislike, not approve of, disgust, ridicule, criticize, make fun of or to simply discuss as we are here.

I personally favor art that is beautiful, inspiring and enjoyable to see. Of course...beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

 

Abbie Shores

8 Days Ago

This is true Mel

 

David Bridburg

8 Days Ago

I have dropped actively making art. The keyboard is my thing now.

I have started to market better the art I do have. Because until all of my friends here chip in for my retirement, some of the opinions on mass marketing are far to self indulgent for me to get by in life.

Dave

 

Mario Carta

8 Days Ago

The question or the premise in this case always seems to come back and factors in the question "what is art" or "what purpose does art serve" or "what is the meaning of art" or what "is the definition of art".

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Jack Torcello

8 Days Ago

Our artistic selves precede us - sometimes at Usain Bolt pace. Our real selves then catch up.

Where our two selves meet - that is ART!!!

 

David Bridburg

3 Days Ago

I definitely come from an overbearing monkey.

Dave Bridburg

 

Ronald Walker

3 Days Ago

Looks like we need to head in another direction here. I don’t care where or who we descended from for the sake of this conversation. My statement was mostly concerning Neanderthals, hominid we co - existed with for a while that most certainly created art.

 

David Bridburg

3 Days Ago

Ronald,

I think you are avoiding the heart of the matter, being a monkey's uncle.

Dave

 

Mario Carta

3 Days Ago

You're correct Ronald, other animals also create art, seeing is believing.

 

Ronald Walker

3 Days Ago

I love that video Mario!

 

Mario Carta

3 Days Ago

It's pretty amazing, I don't get tired of watching that little guy working on his creation, and his dedication to making it so perfect is just crazy, the way he uses the shells to decorate and then just tiding up every thing at the end.

 

Kathy Anselmo

3 Days Ago

Maybe I could hire that puffer fish and have it do my art for me, it might turn out better.

 

Yuri Tomashevi

3 Days Ago

Absolutely amazing!

 

David Bridburg

3 Days Ago

Mario,

Great video.

I constantly wonder at man in the raw, the ancient Egyptians building the pyramids. Building towards god. That was more instinct than anything else. A need for an absolute permanence on a massive scale.

Perhaps more than anything else the 1900's modernists reject instinct.

Dave

 

Mario Carta

3 Days Ago

That creative force is in nature and is all around us David, it's represented in nature in so many ways it's no wonder a little fish could create such a work of art and underwater for that matter. The mystery of it all is what fascinates me,not knowing exactly how or why is as much a part of the allure as is discovering the answers.

 

Yuri Tomashevi

3 Days Ago

Do you think it is possible to measure a creativity of a whole mankind? If yes, what could be a measure? And what do you expect it to show us over time - Is a creativity of mankind increasing or decreasing over time?

 

Tame Anderson

3 Days Ago

Hello friends Ronald, Abbie, Yuri, Drew, and Mario[smile].
Tame like all art for all time! Tame time travel with friend Power and influence all of art in the now.
Tame see Mario funny video. Tame know such Japanese fish. Fish smarter than many people who spread hate on internet.
Friend Yuri say, Do you think it is possible to measure a creativity of a whole mankind? If yes, what could be a measure.
Tame measure creativity and inspire creativity. Happy emotion is good measure. Artist who spread happy emotion smarter than Japanese fish.

 

Ronald Walker

3 Days Ago

Mankind shows creativity constantly and continually. This is evidenced in both helpful and hurtful ways. Narrowing the conversation of the thread to art is admittedly difficult, especially as it is so hard to define.However my contention on art being better than ever before lies mostly is the lifting of restrictions on artist. Our societies are no longer localized where you must conform to tribal rules or the dogma of an overpowering movement, such as Abstract Expressionism. Artist are now able and even encouraged to explore art in a very personal way. Sort of like designing your own home. The rise of the internet has changed our world to an global one. If you need help, advice or inspiration on your art journey it is readily available. Many of the pressures to conform have now been replaced by the ability to expand. This can be confusing or exhilarating depending on ones outlook. Personally I think it is a very good thing and will ultimately cause art to be better than ever.

 

Ronald Walker

3 Days Ago

Hi Tame, good to hear from you!

 

Tame Anderson

3 Days Ago

Hello friend Ronald[smile].
Friend Ronald say funny things about art. Ronald sound like monk friend who speaks of things at shinto shrine. Uses big spirits to say simple things . Art is simple even Tame and Japanese fish understand. Art connects ideas for all time made by time travelers whose ideas defy decay.

 

Ronald Walker

3 Days Ago

Well said Tame.

 

Ronald Walker

3 Days Ago

I like the idea that the ideas "defy decay". This falls directly into the Conceptualist camp. The banana on the wall will rot but the concept will never die. How about aesthetics, any immortality there?

 

David Bridburg

2 Days Ago

Immortality is only 3500 years.

Dave Bridburg

 

Ronald Walker

2 Days Ago

David B. ?

 

Ken Krug

2 Days Ago

If I can rebut, in the interest of accuracy.. and then I will leave it.. re; Humans are descended from apes..

Humans are primates, but that does not mean they are descended "from" apes.. that seems to be a common misconception.
The page from Wikipedia does not say humans are descended from apes.. It does say however, humans evolved as a distinct species. Thusly saying humans are not descended from apes. There is a common ancestor, some seven-million plus years ago.. that's not the same, however, as being descended "from" apes.
https://science.howstuffworks.com/life/evolution/humans-descended-from-apes.htm


More to the topic.. Is Art Better Than Ever?

I would have to say in some ways yes, in some ways no. That being, there are more extremes now. I can't picture someone in, say, Rembrandt's time, taping a banana to a wall and expecting it to be accepted as art. Would bananas be available, I wonder, in seventeenth-century Holland? If the range of creativity has expanded, which I would think , the Internet being a factor, allowing the availability of a large number of images and ideas, and computer software..making experimentation easier and another realm of possibility..

In the area of logo design, this can only have been helpful.. I think there has been an increase in creativity there, showing what can be done, a sharing of approaches and ideas, resulting in some clever and subtle ideas and concepts. Not always of course.. polished ideas, concepts, and execution do not come easily.

There are certainly great painters today, but greater than the Masters.. I couldn't say there. More better painters in a certain range.. that's probably due in part to the times.. more people now, and more people painting now. But to compare to a Rembrandt or a Velasquez portrait, or works by say, El Greco, not so sure there. I have seen a Rembrandt self-portrait, and a portrait by Velasquez, in person, and they are astonishing.


Regarding animals..

Mario, I have seen that video before, pretty funny..

I have seen the puffer fish video, too.. that is very interesting..

Is it art, though.. compared to a banana taped to a wall, I would say yes, or at least I would prefer it..

Is a spider web art?






 

David Bridburg

2 Days Ago

Ronald,

When does history begin?

Immortality truly has to be on a scale. It has a beginning in time on Earth.

It has an end, but we are in denial.

edit: we were instinctually in denial, but modern man is less instinctual. He is less fixated on beating time.

Dave Bridburg

 

Roger Swezey

2 Days Ago

WHY BANANA??

Because all the other fruit was done before

Sell Art Online

Serious Art?

 

Ronald Walker

2 Days Ago

Dave B, who is talking about immortality? Roger I doubt there is a fruit that has not been done. Still I have always loved the example you posted!

 

Ronald Walker

2 Days Ago

Sorry Dave I see I used the term!

 

David Bridburg

1 Day Ago

Ron,

You are getting old.

Good thing I am not.

Dave Bridburg

 

Ronald Walker

23 Hours Ago

David, when my grandfather got old he was fairly senile. He would read and reread the same book over and over. It was always new to him, that could soon be me!

 

David Bridburg

23 Hours Ago

At least you are planning to enjoy your time here.

Dave Bridburg

 

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