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Kay Lovingood

14 Days Ago

Getting The Most Out Of Tags

When creating tags for an upload, is there a limit to the number of total characters? Is there a limit to the length of each tag? I've been a member here for several years and haven't even thought about it until today. Other sites I'm on prefer phrases for tags, but limit the number of characters for each to 20. I ask because I noticed today that on FAA, not all of my tags are showing when I post. Thanks. Kay

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Jessica Jenney

14 Days Ago

Character Limit: 500

It says so above the keyword box

Only about the first 20 or so tags show but they are all there in the search

 

M G Whittingham

14 Days Ago

I don't believe FAA limits the number of characters on each tag to 20, but Abbie can answer that.

 

Mike Savad

14 Days Ago

500 it counts down. add commas and no spaces looks,like,this. you should have some phrases where they fit. you can't go beyond 500, it won't let you.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Kay Lovingood

13 Days Ago

Thanks, Jessica. I think you've answered my question. After I posted, I realized that is does have a 500 character limit. But the rest of your answer helped a lot. One some of my photos, only 8 tags show up; I guess I don't understand why different numbers of tags show up on different posts. But as long as the tags are available in the search, I can accept that. I'm wanting to beef up my showing. Thanks again.

 

Mike Savad

13 Days Ago

if the system doesn't recognize the word, if its your name, spelled wrong etc. it won't show. it counts, it will be seen but that box on the side directs people back to the main search. which doesn't help you at all.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Jennifer White

11 Days Ago

And I heard in the last few months or so that the first 10 - 15 tags are the most important. I've been going through my photos and re-ordering the tags. The tags in the file have been uploading alphabetically and I didn't realize that the first 10 were most important.

In addition to Kay's question - What do you think are the most important tags? Would you say it's the actual subject or the location? Wondering if I'm doing them correctly. Sometimes I put location first while other times I put subject.

 

Mike Savad

11 Days Ago

the most important ones are describing what's in the image. the least are catch phrases like daily winner, or photo of the day or look here or naming every room in your house. i've seen all of those.

name the location
what it is
dominant colors
things in the image
season
name the street, or the building it is
name the animal, the latin name, the species if you know it.

mostly your listing all the items. and your trying to be exact. its not just a tree, its a cypress. or its an oak or a maple or beech tree.

its not just a flower or a bloom, but its an orchid, and not just an orchid its a phalaenopsis or its a dendrobium and if you know its special name or latin name, name that.

its not just a dog or a cat, but its a labaradoodle or its a catmandu or its some other crazy hybrid. because people who have that dog might be into that kind of art and you may get a good sale from it. just list dog or cat - and you will never stand out.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Roger Swezey

11 Days Ago

As I see it, only tags that lead to a significant number of other artist's images, when clicked on, are displayed with individual's work.

 

Mike Savad

11 Days Ago

if you don't have the words - you won't be found. buyers don't know it leads out, this is mostly for google. which is why the search has top billing in the google. remove your words, and you vanish from the search.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Jennifer White

11 Days Ago

Yes, I do all those tags, just trying to put them in order is what I'm wondering if I'm doing right since I heard the first 10 are the most important and even more the first tag.

For example: a windmill sunset photo taken in the Ozarks in Nixa Missouri. For the first tags would I do Ozarks, windmill, sunset, Missouri, Nixa.......ect. or should it be windmill, sunset, ozarks, missouri, nixa.....ect

Or a waterfall in Yellowstone. Do you put yellowstone first or waterfall?

 

Bradford Martin

11 Days Ago

The search will combine individual words to match search phrases. So you don't need every phrase if the individual words are listed.

 

Roger Swezey

11 Days Ago

In regards to this lovely photograph.

Wall Art

I clicked on "Lake Russel" tag displayed with this wonderful panorama.

Who does it benefit?

Certainly not Kay

Nor those looking for other images of Lake Russel

Just those with "Russel" in their name..Last Name, First Name,...and even those with "Russel" as their Middle Name.

Along with some stray images of lakes other than Lake Russel.


With the fear of being accused as a troll, Please, Please, Someone tell my why these clickable tags SHOULD exist

And in the meanwhile, for anybody out there, check them out yourselves

 

Pamela Johnston

11 Days Ago

Thanks for this discussion guys. Can someone tell me how I do specific tags for products ie Wall Art tags for wall Art, Greeting Cards tags for Greeting Cards, Tote Bag Tags for Tote bags etc.

 

Jennifer White

10 Days Ago

Pamela - you don't want to add those tags unless you have extra space. FAA adds those for you. You want to use your tags for describing the photo and try to use all 500 characters without spamming. I do have those tags in some of mine but only when I couldn't think of other tags to add. I've been going back through older images and replacing some of those tags if I thought of something better.

Roger - yes, I agree. a lot of times when searching for something specific other things come up and it's frustrating. Another thing I find frustrating is some search terms will have pages and pages of only one specific person with maybe 1-2 others that pop up and it isn't until a few page later that you see others finally come up. For example, if I search Ozarks - there's one photographer that literally takes up page after page after page. He has great work, but why is it all him? He doesn't even participate in anything that I've seen. I'm guess he has good sales and that's why, but geez, there are other Ozarks photographers out there. That's one reason I've been changing some of my tags and putting Ozarks first to see if that helps me climb up to a better page.

 

Natalie Hardwicke

10 Days Ago

It says 500. Its also having to think about tags that will catch peoples eyes to view the work too. Some words can be easy whilst some can be obscure.

 

Natalie Hardwicke

10 Days Ago

It says 500. Its also having to think about tags that will catch peoples eyes to view the work too. Some words can be easy whilst some can be obscure.

 

Ken Bradford

10 Days Ago

Roger, I just tried your experiment. I have a "Cat Collection" with photos of, you guessed it, cats. One of my tags is "cats" and another is "kittens". When I click on "cats" in the tag cloud, it sends me to the main "Cats Art" section. Here it displays EVERY SINGLE medium, product and collection. So, the word "Cats" is absolutely no help to me here on FAA. Even when I narrowed it down to "Gray Cats", it did the same thing. Now when I entered "Ken Bradford Gray Cats" - BINGO! It finally showed my stuff. I wish more people would try this in their tag clouds and report how it worked.

My chances of getting seen for the word "Cat" is 1 in 198,000 for "gray cat" it's 1 in 5,700.

I design websites and the biggest part of a website's success is targeting "VERY SPECIFIC" keywords and key phrases. There are probably a million websites with the keyword "Cats", but only ONE with the key phrase "Ken Bradford Gray Cats". But who would enter that in the search box but me?

Ken Bradford
http://kenbradfordphotography.wordpress.com

 

Mike Savad

10 Days Ago

the search is still based on sales. so unless you sell that cat photo over and over you won't be seen. if you remove cat, no one will find you under it. that's why generic words aren't enough. typically people type in the cat they own, like an algerian tuskan cat or a siamese benard cat or some other made up cat name like that. you don't have to click on a tag cloud, just know that you won't be on the top of the heap using common words if you don't sell that much. and people will only type your name if they know who you are and they like your cats. this falls in the abiliene theory - do the thing that people don't have a lot of.

@pamela - as said, don't fill in wall art. the site see's that as a filter and it won't help you in google because it already says that everywhere. just list what is in the scene.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Ken Bradford

10 Days Ago

Mike, I don't agree with the search being based on sales. Not every buyer starts their search in FAA. Let's suppose someone is looking for a print of the mountains in the fall. They might type "mountains in the fall print" in the Google search box. I did that and FAA doesn't even show up until Page 2 in my area at least. Where does FAA first appear in your search of the same term? The tag cloud is at the bottom right of each image page. If you will notice, the very first keyword in the tag cloud is used to categorize your image. So, yes, the tag cloud is very important. As far as cats - I have worked with feral cats for the past 5 years. They are mainly domestic short hair cats - that's all. So, there is no way to categorize them by scientific names. I think the answer is spreading the word around in personal websites and social media.

Ken Bradford
https://kenbradfordphotography.wordpress.com

 

DK Digital

10 Days Ago

Being specific with your tags only helps if people are searching using that exact phrase or combination of keywords. Don't worry about what clicking on those tags at the bottom of your page does, almost no one shopping clicks on those, especially if they never got to your image some other way in the first place. I guarantee you no one customer coming to FAA or Pixels is searching DK Digital XXXX... or whatever, they don't know me from Adam, they are searching subjects and colors or moods or whatever, and if you've had few or no sales you are at a distinct disadvantage in search unless you have something someone is searching for that few other artists have since there are thousands of other artists here that have had more sales.

If you want to attract Google searchers you need to write good descriptions.

 

Roger Swezey

10 Days Ago

Mike,

RE:..." unless you sell that cat photo over and over you won't be seen."

And when you are seen, say by Google Image Search, it seems to me that FAA is doing a last ditch effort to prevent you from having a sale with those clickable tags, leading to the more favored of our FAA members.

If that's not the reason those clickable tags exist, then somebody please tell my why

It's almost as, if you are not completely vetted with printable sales , you become a persona non grata

 

Kay Lovingood

10 Days Ago

Thanks to all for the excellent discussion, going places I never even thought about. My basic question has been answered, and I’m working to improve my my older tags. But I do enjoy the conversation, so keep it up.

 

Douglas Brown

10 Days Ago

I get why a few tags (say 10) are required, but here is a question:

Why, if you are unlikely to show up near the top in searches or unless you have a tag that is truly unique and what is the chances of customers searching for that unique tag?

Using my full allowance of tags would be worthwhile if there was an affiliate program, but at the moment there is not, tags currently promote the best sellers.

if a customer did tap a tag and a random selection of artist works popped up who lived close to the customer (say 0-200 miles) then adding 500 characters worth of tags would definitely be worthwhile and might lead to more sales and a fairer share of possible sales.

Again I get the need for a few and I do try, but it is time consuming and at the moment for not a lot of reward.



 

Mike Savad

10 Days Ago

if your depending on google that is much harder. because now you compete with every single site. if you type in a search word it won't go to art, it will go to a travel site or a place that specializes in that one thing.

anything you click on on the right becomes that theme of that moment. and google will show you places you've been to if your history is on. it will favor you and your work. i don't place under mountains in the fall because i have neither.

keep in mind this site never had a tag cloud in the start. it was just a pile of words. they didn't become links until later, and then they were boxed as well. so the words are just there to direct people and google to the main search and nothing more. it doesn't help you at all. its importance is just the keywords that contain it. you can say ishkabibble and that will be the theme if it shows up.

the site adds all those links that goes back to the main search - so google always has a link to follow. if there were no links on there, google would stop at that page. ever click on a google link and find yourself in the search? that's where that comes from.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

DK Digital

10 Days Ago

Actually Mike, my experience is that it's easier to find my art on Google than on this site. In fact Abbie is constantly saying that something like 80% of the sales here come from Google searches.

 

Ken Bradford

10 Days Ago

I have done an experiment. For the past 45 minutes, I have tried to get an individual FAA page to come up in a Google search. I have tried probably 50 different search words and phrases. I can get the main FAA site to come up, but not an individual page. If you can, please let me know.

OK, I did one last search - "1940 colorized chevrolet print" and Dave Koontz page came up.

Ken Bradford
https://kenbradfordphotography.wordpress.com

 

Roger Swezey

10 Days Ago

Mike,

I agree with DK

My work is all over Google Image Search...And not just by my name

Check out "Bedazzled Art" on Google image search

And then here on FAA/Pixels search engine

 

Mike Savad

10 Days Ago

just keep in mind again, that google will show you want you want unless you turn the history off. so your here all the time, it will show you your work all the time. its a false reading though.

most links in google will be a massive pile of something. so you'll find the search page (and because it rotates work, you may not be there when clicked). and it will show pinterest. but an actual work is hard. i think you would have to advertise that image everywhere, or people have to be talking about it everywhere.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Roger Swezey

10 Days Ago

Mike,

PLEASE Check "Bedazzled Art" on Google Image Search......Others have, and the results are the same.: a bunch of my bugs

Here on FAA search "Bedazzled Art" is all about Raquel Welsh

 

Douglas Brown

10 Days Ago

I just added a new image of clock faces (Unique and Random collection) and used the tag Clock Art, which shows up on my image page as a tag, Clocks Digital Art. When tapping that tag over 4,000 images appear in the results, if there was a long term affiliate program I would be licking my lips as there are some great images of clocks, but until then that tag really does nothing for me.

 

DK Digital

10 Days Ago

Mike, I always search "incognito" when searching my own stuff, I think most people know to do that by now.

 

Mike Savad

10 Days Ago

the amount of time something and someone is on - also counts in google. so if you've had an account for a while, it helps you.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Roger Swezey

10 Days Ago

Mike,

RE:.."the amount of time something and someone is on - also counts in google. so if you've had an account for a while, it helps you."

Maybe, on Google, but certainly not here

 

Susan Maxwell Schmidt

10 Days Ago

I've made 615 sales on FAA. Granted I know this is not much compared to a lot of people but I have yet to see any conclusive evidence it has helped me in the search at all. I don't know what I have to do to get the recognition I so obviously and humbly deserve ;)

 

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