I jut now watched it. Interesting and I will look into that new format to see the advantages. I am due for an upgrade and was thinking of moving from my old iPhone 6 to the 11. Might have to consider the 12 and put my Nikon in storage. LOL
On another note - that lackluster show (promoting Verizon 5G) must not have impressed investors. Apple stock dropped almost $5 following the presentation. I was hoping to see it go up.
I watched the event, some really cool new apple stuff and accessories. Sitting with an iPhone11 Pro Max in my hand at the moment, but the 12 pro max is appealing.
I was also curious about the Pro Raw and if it’s going to be an upload option here on FAA. I upload a lot from my iPad and iPhone so interesting times.
The iPhone 12 also comes with magnetic tech to support wireless charging, I’m sure the tech is in the phone so when you put a phone case on the wireless charging still works as it currently does on my 11 pro max.
How soon is the iPhone12 Case going to be available here on FAA for us to promote and sell? Maybe Abbie could ask Sean.
Oddly, the most compelling thing for me for the entire event is the homepod mini. No way I was going to pay the enormous asking price of the original homepod.
That being said, I've got the iphone 11 pro max, so i'm currently satisfied with not paying another $1000 for these upgrades. I've got a feeling the next real upgrade on my phone will be in 2 or 3 more years.
i find that only some times raw is a good thing. have a small camera with raw and it highlights the sheer amount of noise the camera makes. all i get are a bunch of dark blotchy photos. it either shows off what the sensor can do or how bad it can be.
I've used RAW from an iPhone 6s with an app called Camera+ but it hasn't been any sort of miracle.
I have to admit, however, that between the cost of a new super-phone, which is as much as a lower priced DSLR and the fact that I like to flatter myself with the idea that I add something in the editing process, a phone that does everything automagically makes me feel obsolete. All I'd be is a biological transport unit for a self governing phone camera.
For better or worse, I think I will keep doing the magic myself.
The technology is amazing, with interpretive computational features, but "guessing" what color a pixel should be when seen though a small lens will have some limitations.
I'm probably in the minority, but I still am bewildered by the fact that millions of people will shell out around $1000 for a phone every year or so. If we had said that even 10 years ago people would have laughed at us... it's a funny old world.
Bah humbug... I'll be sticking with my iPhone 6s until the battery finally dies, which I assume will be soon as there's probably another nightly Apple "update" now they have another reason to kill off old products..
With phones, we really have entered in the realm of diminishing returns. By the time I had my first iPhone, I had about 85% of the functionality that I have now and, from what I've seen in the "Greatest Phone Ever, Anywhere" promos, a new one does the same stuff, but claims to do it better, whatever that means. I guess that's the problem, that they've done their job too well. I don't want a larger phone, because my pockets have not gotten larger, I don't need a better screen because my eyes have gotten worse. When Apple introduced the "Retina" screen, the hype was that it's better than your eyes, so where can you go beyond that?
As for the camera, I'd always prefer my DSLR, and my phone camera is mainly the one I use when I'm out and don't have the "big" one. I had good luck some time past when Apple offered cheap battery replacements on 6S's. I took it to the store, they broke it while replacing the battery and I got a new 6S for free, so this one isn't even old.
"Apple ProRAW is a new imaging format that combines Apple's computational photography features with the benefits of shooting in RAW."
Anybody know what they mean by this? It sounds like some sort of Franken-Raw, where the software does some programmed edits and then saves to a raw format, but I always thought that raw was unedited photo data that allows a user to make their own edits without an intervening lossy compression process. I can't help but wonder if this means the the phone software "decides" how my image should look and makes edits before I even see it.
Hi everyone. I am GREEN and very new here. I am in the process of deciding what i need to capture my work appropriately for FAA. Prints is my main objectives. I get confused when they say 5000x4000 etc. The main question is, are the IPHONE cameras enough for what we need? They are 12MP only. I understand I need jpeg and that they are captured in sRGB which i guess is what the norm is for e-commerce. Does anyone have a view? Do i need to purchase a DSLR? Or will and iPhone work? I have the 10XR currently. Welcome your guidance!!!!
Chrsitina, I use the iPhone 11 Pro Max to upload most of my images, they upload mostly 4000X3000px That in my opinion is sufficient. I use an app called Pro Camera which is optimised for the iPhone, I use this high quality app to edit my images, that turns my images in to .jpeg
I always upgrade my iPhone every two years, the iPhone 11 Pro Max is in my opinion is a fantastic piece of kit for doing photography, I’ve never had the 10XR, but the 11 pro max is a huge upgrade on that I’m sure.
I've had some fairly large prints sell that were shot on my iPhone 6S and, they didn't get returned, so I take that as meaning that they were in line with the customer's expectations. Those are roughly 3K by 4K. My impression is that with phone photos and that tiny little lens, you need to be concerned about things like shots with lots of fine detail or low light shots where skies can get grainy. Since my phone photos are always my second choice and because I use them when I didn't have a "real" camera, I keep the scene simple, shoot a lot, delete a lot and do some careful editing. I'd always rather have a larger lens and more pixels, but I don't want to lose an opportunity because I don't have a bag of photo stuff on my shoulder.
With that said, I'm really pretty amazed that I get such good pictures out of a camera that's the size of a pea that I carry around in my pocket.
Heya, Doug. Thanks for the tip on the Pro Camera ap. I just downloaded it and I am impressed.
@ Doug. It's always been said the best camera to have is the "one you have with you." I am a firm believer in that and I do upload iPhone shots from time to time. I am seriously planning to upgrade from my 6s - but likely not more that the newer SE model. That still has 12 MP but does have a better processor. If I were to move up to an 11 I may be able to retire the DSLRs for most travel photography.
Thanks Bill, Pro Camera is a great app and really works well with iPhone/iOS photography. I really recommend the 11 pro max, but the price isn’t coming down as it seems overall it’s a better all round phone than the 12, a lot of that is cosmetic.
Good to hear you have the Pro Camera App. The editing is amazing, you can even go over some of your previous photos, the box bottom left that shows your last image, tap that and your camera roll collections will appear. There is so many great options on there and if you get in to the settings and find the copyright section, you can add your name, so when you upload your image anywhere on the internet, your name is logged as the copyright owner. Have fun with the app and learn what the app is capable of, well worth the money.
May I ask another question. My images are being saved down below 12MP though. As an example 2500x3500. Always in the 2 and 3s .. Never reaches near 5000x4000. Should I be concerned? Or is there a setting that need to me fixed to increase this. This just exemplifies how a much of a beginner I am.
Go in to your settings and look for File Format. Select Jpeg and that should show Jpeg 100%, but scroll down to Advanced Settings and set your compression to high quality, it’s a sliding bar. That will increase the file size.
100% high quality setting indicates a lossless compression.
You should be able to get a tutorial on YouTube Try, understand Pro Camera App Settings. Something should come up.
I don't really know what you can do with a modern phone.
Can you adjust the depth of field, or manually adjust the focus? Can you change the apeture or shutter because you're after shadow detail? I could mention more manual manipulation. Is there a difference between photography and getting high quality snaps? Can a phone do all these things?
As complex and safisticated as modern DSLRs are these days...they can be adjusted manually for a lot of reasons.
Phone cameras are best at "quick and dirty", catching something you'd miss if you didn't have a better camera with you. You can find apps that allow you some latitude in adjustments (Camera+ and Pro HDR X come to mind for me), but they are always limited by the fact that it's a tiny lens feeding a tiny sensor. I also have some clip-on lenses for things like macro or telephoto, but the more you do to try to stretch an image beyond the most basic built-in defaults, the more sketchy it gets.
Considering the size and portability of these things, it's amazing that they do as well as they do, but you just don't push it too far.
My iPhone12 Pro Max arrived and i took my first photos using the camera, i took a couple of photos of my sons new car. As it was a grey day and the car is grey i used the Monochrome filter in my Pro Camera app.
I took these photos at 08:10am when the daylight was still low.
Here is the results and i love it.
OK, Doug, I shot this at 8:10 in the rain with my iPhone 6. This is also my first iPhone-to-FAA upload. You really can teach an old dog new tricks. LOL
Shot and processed with the Pro Photo app that you recommended. I have had it a while but have not yet gotten used to all of the tools. Therefore I let the camera make ALL of the decisions in this sample. Personally, I would have tweaked it a bit (a lot?) but, for this, I only used the grayscale filter that you mentioned. This is (obviously) not gray like your son's new car. It is a dark green mica - that looks black unless the sun is shining on it.
BTW - That JOBY unit is sweet looking.
~ Bill Swartwout Photography at US Pictures.
Well, now you're costing me money. LOL - I do need to upgrade. Still 12MP but much better clarity and internal processing. That is evident.
Question: If you were to be a "contributing artist" to a cell-phone-specific art photography website would you prefer seeing the domain http://www.myphonography.com or myphoneography.com (note the "e" in there). A few years back there was a somewhat popular site iPhoneography. But it died - was slated to be resurrected - but is again on hiatus. But that was a blog mostly about how to do iPhone photography. I'm thinking a site is needed for "the best of all camera" sites - the camera you have with you, of course. They don't "have to" be iPhones (because there are many very capable camera phones out there) but all of the photographs should promote FAA phone-created images.
I do know that Frank Casella has an iPhone "group" here with images and discussion threads. I am envisioning a stand-alone site so the SEO belongs to that site and images can link to here. I am seeing traffic and success for my face-mask-specific site (not exclusively promoting FAA) and my jigsaw puzzles site is gaining traction (and is exclusive to FAA).
Interesting that Frank has an iPhone group, i will check that out. Interesting idea the (phonetography) website, sounds good and i do like the idea that it will/should link back to faa.
At the moment i do not promote out with here that my photography is all done using an iPhone, not sure the public are willing to buy in to that yet, but i am not sure on this, i have sold prints and other products which are all ios created.
I’ve had my iphone12 pro max since the beginning of December, but i’m still waiting for Santa to deliver my tripod, feel sorry for me guys it’s not fair, i want my tripod Lol.
So here is 5 hand held efforts using the 12pro max (my blue 12pro max phone case is stunning btw). I love the outcome, but the idea is to give you iphone photographers a look so you can make your own mind up if an upgrade is necessary and for you, hope you like the effort.
I’ve added 11 photos of Ferrari’s to my sports car collection. I used the iphone12 pro max and the grip tight pro telepod with an impulse remote shutter to take the photos, i have uploaded the 11 NOT using any filters.
Friends gave me the iPhone 12 Pro Max for Christmas, and it was waiting for me when I returned from vacation. Was super excited to try its new camera system but Apple doesn't include any chargers with the phone and it was dead as a door nail! Cost $1,300, including tax, and they make you pay extra for chargers? Outrageous!
I don't happen to have any Type-C chargers lying around because I've always had Samsung phones, and I don't live near any towns where I can buy them. Had to resort to ordering car and wall chargers from Amazon and even with Prime, it will be over a week before they arrive.
Sorry for the rant, but I could buy a used car for the price of that phone, and Apple can't be bothered to throw in a $20 charger? Really?
Thanks, Doug! Wonderful suggestion! Hadn't thought to borrow a charger. Neighbor has a fairly new iPhone, and if I promise to thoroughly wipe his charger with disinfectant after use (he and I take extreme Covid precautions), he may feel comfortable about lending.
After reading my initial post, I sound like a spoiled, ungrateful brat. Need to correct that.
@ Kathleen - You may have a neighbor or two with an extra charger laying around. I know if you lived in our neighborhood I would give you a charger and cord. We have been an iPhone "family" (wife, daughter, son, son-in-law, granddaughter) for a long time and those chargers seem to have multiplied over the years.
Once you get it charged and get used to using it I have a feeling you will really like the results.
Just take a look at Doug's photographs. They are outstanding. If he didn't talk about them coming from an iPhone I doubt anyone could tell they were not from a DSLR.
@ Douglas - Outstanding, sir. I like the colors the shadow detail and the depth of field in that Ferrari photograph.
Bill, neighbors are few and far between in these woods, and there are very few that I'd feel comfortable approaching. Lawless country. People hole up here for a reason. Thankfully, my nearest neighbors are wonderful people who are not paranoid because they are not engaged in criminal activity, LOL.
Looking at the amazing quality of Doug's photos is what got me on a rant about not being able to try out the camera in that phone NOW. You'd think I was a spoiled two-year-old with zero tolerance rather than an old woman who's had a lifetime of learning to be patient, lol.
Never thought of the voice activation, but i have found for hand held photos it’s best to use the volume down button to activate your shutter. The volume down is/was my favourite way of taking a photo, cuts down shake which you will need to do with 12Pro max.
I recommend watching some tutorials on you tube as i done.
Thanks, Doug. I may spring for a tripod. I don't use the camera tripods I have because they are a pain in the patoot and I never trust them not to fall over but the JOBY tripod you have looks like it would work well with this phone. Finding them priced around $99 everywhere. Is it easy to attach the phone in a hurry?
Yes i found after a few practices i developed a technique, the impulse remote shutter is also detachable and works via bluetooth. overall it works great and the bonus is you can also use the telepod to screw in a camera.
I still haven't had time to play with the camera on the iPhone 12 yet (or even the phone, for that matter) but at least I have it now and am looking forward to seeing what the camera can do. Any of you have time to share tips for getting good shots with it? If I get desperate enough, I'll have to read a manual but I hope it doesn't come to that!
I have to upgrade my phone because the iPhone XR I bought last year does not meet the video specs for a company I shoot for. I plane on getting 12 pro. I want the LIDAR
because I have a feeling it will be used in a future app to do floor plans. I am already doing floor plans with an app that uses a video walk through with my XR to make a very accurate floor plan for a house with just a quick walk along the walls.
I hate having to upgrade because I really would rather have a nice new lens. but I have to have it to keep up with the app advances and video standards. The telephoto lens will be a nice plus.
Will it pay for itself in the extra client use and the stock and print sales? I doubt it. But just like the drone I bought in the spring and the full frame camera I bought in the summer you have to be ready to meet client demands or you lose the clients altogether.
Kathleen, I bought a pair of those clip on lenses a couple years ago. They are cheap enough but the images are only good as snapshots. I might compare then to the cheap screw on lenses for the front of a real lens on a quality camera. They are cheap - not quality. They are cheap not quality. I just had to repeat that.
I experimented with them - both Tele and Wide - but never really used them. In fact, I currently have no idea where they are. They may, indeed, be catching dust in a bow on a shelf somewhere in the garage.
I have a good macro on a good camera but getting lazy in my old age. So much easier to use a phone than drag around a heavy camera.
I'm bringing the new iPhone 12 with me on this trip tomorrow, and will be trying its cameras for the first time. I hope that it turns out to be way better quality than the old Android. Particularly interested in the quality of the optical zoom.
You're certainly welcome, Kathleen. When it comes to lenses you usually get what you pay for. I'm sure the optical lens on the 12 will be of good quality. The Mini I'll be buying doesn't have that lens - I'll just have to walk up closer.
OK - I will not be getting the iPhone 12 mini next week. Because - my wife and I just got an iPhone 12 today. T-Mobile has a "deal" going so my wife decided to jump on board, too.We got two iPhone 12 phones for $100 more than I was going to pay for one iPhone Mini.
Hopefully I'll be able to get to the beach tomorrow to do a bit of "phoneography" with the new rig. I'll post an example or two here and begin an article on my Cell Phone Photography website.
Took some shots with the iPhone 12 Pro Max waaaayyy before dawn this morning. All the hype about shooting in low light is true. Not the quality of a good DSLR, but pretty darn good. I have to take back what I said earlier. Also did short videos after the sun came up. Great quality, including sound.
Something to bare in mind, its only the iPhone12 pro & pro max that has the ProRaw feature.
Great phone camera, i have uploaded lots of new photos in my Edinburgh and Beyond Collections. I also took a couple of Sky shots, the result is that i now feel confident to seek out more sunrises and sunsets to offer for sale.
I do not have the pro or pro/max - just the plain ol' 12 - but I am VERY impressed. I'll be getting out there for sunrise/sunset once our rainy weather leaves the area. I managed to catch a little bit of sun breaking through while on the beach today.
Today i shot some photos using RAW (first 15 in my Edinburgh and Beyond in Colour Collection.
I didn’t add any edit and uploaded straight to my website, surprisingly the site converted automatically to .jpeg. As i was adding them 5 at a time (multi upload) i noticed the mb, portrait was high 30s and landscape was low 20s, but as the faa upload process automatically converted the RAW files the mb was hugely reduced.
Surprisingly i think it made no difference to the quality of the image, but your opinion may differ. Opinion on the 15 of the Pentland Snow covered hills would be great for knowing wether it’s worth shooting in RAW (big file size on phone) or just stick to .jpeg
Check them out in my Edinburgh and Beyond in Colour Collection.
You will not see a noticeable difference between a Jpeg file saved at the highest quality and a Raw image. The advantage of Raw is that there is room to adjust. I assume Lightroom can be used to do the Raw process. Or maybe there is a special Raw editor.
I plan on upgrading my as XR soon as I pay it off or sooner.