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Francis Sullivan

3 Months Ago

Puzzled By Pinterest

I have participated in group discussions that offer mutual repinning for some time w/o issue. But the other day, I tried pinning from my pixels site and also going back to add description details. For some reason, none of those pins showed up as being repinned despite being posted in those reliable groups. I know the artists in those groups certainly tried to repin the images. Any ideas as to why the repins wouldn't show up?

Thanks for your help.

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Renny Spencer

3 Months Ago

Pinterest has been real quirky as of late. They have made lots of changes and I am not sure to the good for us artists.

 

David King Studio

3 Months Ago

Pinterest has fallen off a cliff. I get less than 3% of the views I used to get. My pins from this year don't show up in Google search either. I don't bother working it anymore. I'll pin a new upload and that's it.

 

Mike Savad

3 Months Ago

i'm hoping pinterest will just fade away. it was never easy to use, nearly impossible to find anything on, and redirected all links to itself, then finding it after that was also impossible. for the last 6 months i can't add a description when sent from here. the place is fine if you like collecting virtual things, but it was always labeled as silly and stupid, in my book.

i post new stuff and that's it there. pretty sure all the people that were heavy on pinterest are all on tik tok now.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Renny Spencer

3 Months Ago

I just checked on a number of my images that had lots of saves and views now are back to 0. No clue what they are doing.

 

Tina Lewis

3 Months Ago

Same here, Pinterest is so disappointing now. Barely any impressions and no clicks to my site.

 

Peggy Collins

3 Months Ago

Oh great, just when I was going to give it a serious go!

 

Renny Spencer

3 Months Ago

Matthias may go broke if they don't fix what they are doing. Hard to promote something that isn't working anymore.

 

Mike Savad

3 Months Ago

i just checked. first it said i wasn't using my business tools - whatever the heck those are. then analytics shows zero for everything. it showed that it dropped to nothing on jan 21st. from 17,000 impressions just the day before. so was my site off the whole time? it seems to have stopped collecting data for at least the last 30 days. they claim they got a bunch of pin clicks, but i have nothing on my side.

i just emailed them. they have the most complex contact i've even seen.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Philip Preston

3 Months Ago

About 6 to 12 months ago, I was pinning on a regular basis and did see a reasonable increase in the number of 'impressions' reported for my pins, but the numbers for people clicking through to my websites never came to much, and certainly never resulted in any purchases. Rarely do any pins now, for me, the returns are not worth the effort involved. Never tried using paid for promotion on Pinterest, so unable to comment on that. For me, no (free) social media marketing seems to be worthwhile, but others may have different experiences.

 

Mary Bedy

3 Months Ago

I gave up on Pinterest about four years ago, but recently pinned a few more of my ships. Didn't seem to make any difference at all. I don't think I'm going to waste any more time there. Never liked it. I think it's more for looking for recipes and funky clothing items and decorating ideas than any serious selling potential.

Just my impression. Could be completely wrong.

 

Renny Spencer

3 Months Ago

I will probably still use it in case they make a change to the good that way my stuff is still there. Probably keep playing the pinterest he's in the discussion groups as well. Easy.

 

Peggy Collins

3 Months Ago

I've done three story pins in the past couple of weeks. The number of impressions is huge...6.81k, 7.1k and 7.04k. Clicks are at 31, 36, and 57. I'm just beginning after not doing anything on Pinterest for years, so I'm not knowledgeable enough to even really know what all that means. I don't think I've had any sales because of this though.

 

Yolanda Caporn

3 Months Ago

I have the same issue as Mike. Something happened on 21 January and I went from 1.5k impressions a day to nothing and now only 60 impressions a month and no link clicks or saves even though my individual pins are showing as having much more impressions, link clicks and saves. The analytics are totally wrong. I've tried reporting it and they just keep sending me links on how to pin and not addressing the issue of my analytics being wrong.

 

Mike Savad

3 Months Ago

its a good place to look for ideas. building a new room, a birdhouse, garden decorations etc. but to shop from... nah.

they mailed me back telling me they are shunting the problem onto someone else. i think they will be the next stumble upon.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Janine Riley

3 Months Ago

I have noticed as of recent when I pin one of my images ( whether from FAA, Pixels - or direct Pin ) I am not able to go back in and edit to add comments or # hashtags , with or without that new comment button on. I

Is anyone else experiencing this ? I did not see a mention of this in the Pinterest thread.

 

Murray Rudd

3 Months Ago

I love Pinterest - I create a new pin for all new images at same time I upload to FAA (I never use the FAA Pinterest button to post my own work) plus I run small promos for my tours and workshops, which are my main product (not prints). I link all images to FAA, not to my own website - that may change at sometime given we cannot claim our FAA site (Matthias has posted a method to get the Pixels site claimed). My activity on instagram has dropped to zero and I have always detested FB, so know I will never make any real effort there. Twitter just seems to be a chaotic echo chamber, so no love for that either - maybe it is different if you have been there for years and have real followers, but I have no knowledge of actually having ever encountered a real potential customer via twitter.

I am very happy with Pinterest promos - for me they tend to more than double the pin to impression ratio. I don't spend much on promotion but have booked nice tour sales last week that came straight from a $5-10 Pinterest promo. I've had a string of these promos running the last month and for those I direct them all to my website, not FAA, so have a much better idea of what is driving visits.

Jan 21 was when they changed the way count is tallied. The big drop in because the analytics are not showing impressions for images that you have saved as it used to. But if you scroll down to the bottom of the menu on the left side, there is a checkbox 'Include Saved Pins' that will show current numbers tallied according to pre-Jan 21 definitions.



 

Tina Lewis

3 Months Ago

Peggy, those story pins apparently get lots of impressions but you can't include a link to your site. They seem more about providing interesting content for Pinterest and keeping people there.

 

David King Studio

3 Months Ago

"I am not able to go back in and edit to add comments or # hashtags , with or without that new comment button on. I"

Ya, been the same for me since the beginning of the year.

 

Tina Lewis

3 Months Ago

Oh wow Murray, your tours look amazing! I can see those doing well on Pinterest and am surprised you're not having as much success on the other SM sites.

 

Peggy Collins

3 Months Ago

Tina, right you are however I found a way around not being able to link to my site. Although it isn't as good as a link, I add my url at the end of my little story pin movies.

 

Murray Rudd

3 Months Ago

Thanks Tina. I only do trips that I really want to do myself and can get enthused about bringing others along on, so fingers crossed. I'll have some Pinterest promos out constantly now for those and am now up on some of the photo tour sites for 2022 and 2023 departures, which should also help with visibility over the longer term.

One of the things I saw in Analytics with the 32-50 FAA feature pins that I put up daily as group features is that the pins that generate substantial numbers of impressions seem to have average engagement rates of 2% up to about 5% for the highest. A lot of the impressions are just bot visits though, so anyone that is showing 3-5% engagement in total is probably doing much better wrt to real people out browsing images. My engagement rate seems to be around 2.5% on average for my own website but every once in awhile it shoots up to over 25% for a few days for no apparent reason I can discern.

On the other side of the fence, I know that I have some framing ideas that I pinned in a 'display ideas' board over a year ago and am still planning on buying stuff I pinned there sometime over the next 6-months. Attribution of sales to pins or promotions must be almost impossible for sellers when you have those kinds of lags.

 

Peggy Collins

3 Months Ago

Murray, are you able to edit your pins afterwards?

 

Yolanda Caporn

3 Months Ago

Thanks Murray for the tip about "include saved pins". I wish Pinterest had told me that with all the emails back and forward about my analytics not being correct. Instead they were telling me what sort of pins to pin to get more views. Peggy I haven't been able to edit my pins after I've pinned them for a couple of months now. Pinterest was telling me that I should use different descriptions but how can I when I can't edit them?

 

Matthias Hauser

3 Months Ago

Yes, Pinterest is changing. All the time.
Yes, sometimes it can be exhausting and annoying to keep up.
No, this does not mean that Pinterest is not working any longer. But we have to adapt.

That said...

They want to have as much fresh content as possible. This means content creators should repin as few Pins as possible (own and from others).
I wrote a blog post about fresh Pins, about a year ago: https://www.elke.com/what-are-fresh-pins-on-pinterest-and-how-to-make-them/
I may edit it if I find the time but most things are still valid.

They want to fight spam and copyright infringement. This means you should claim your Pixels Premium Website (this verifies that the content is yours). And it explains why it may not be possible to edit Pins any longer (for more and more accounts).
This worked in 99% of all cases so far: https://fineartamerica.com/showmessages.php?messageid=4822686

So: create fresh Pins. Claim your Pixels Premium website. Be sure to use good descriptions, peppered with the right keywords. Be patient and consistent. Pinterest is a long-term game!

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Mike Savad

3 Months Ago

that sounds like a lot of hard work, without the evidence that it would pay off.

i tried just now to claim my website, its a gray button that has no way to press it. the page shows zero everything. and even things with titles that i sent there the other day - shows no titles on it. there are some seriously messed up issues on that site. i see no reason right now to try to impress pinterest.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Matthias Hauser

2 Months Ago

Editing descriptions: Claim your website and save the Pins from your claimed website. The URL of your Pin should point to your claimed website. This should work.

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Peggy Collins

2 Months Ago

Matthias, it should work but it doesn't. At least not for me. I claimed my artist website (which is my own domain name).

 

Matthias Hauser

2 Months Ago

Peggy: hmmmmm, strange...

I just looked at some of Toby's Pins. He claimed wayneoxfordphotography.com, and his Pins are linking to wayneoxfordphotography.com.

You claimed peggycollinsgallery.com, and your Pins are linking to peggy-collins.pixels.com.

Maybe a forwarding / Cloudflare thing? You may connect with Toby. I'm sure he can tell how he set up his Artist Website.

I hope this helps!

 

Toby McGuire

2 Months Ago

Pins from my domain have always been editable, well before I claimed my site. And I'm just using the standard cloudflare setup from Abbie's directions.

 

Toby McGuire

2 Months Ago

Oh yea Peggy's domain is just forwarding to her pixels url. My domain is set up to service my AW through cloudflare. Good catch Matthias.

 

Matthias Hauser

2 Months Ago

Thanks, Toby!

 

Edward Fielding

2 Months Ago

I just noticed the "shop" feature. Be sure to click the "shop" button -- the price tag icon on the upper left corner of your image.

You can add links to your other product.

I've added my FAA offerings as well as some links to my work on Wayfair and other retail stores.

......
"I bought Matthias's Pinterest course long ago and still haven't taken the time to go over it thoroughly. I keep starting then revert to my old ways that don't work."

This is the self-help book industry's best customer. People who keep coming back and buying more books.

 

Peggy Collins

2 Months Ago

Matthias & Toby, thanks for looking into that for me! That makes sense. But drats, I was hoping to avoid that Cloudflare business.

Ed, mark my words, I'll get to his course...and soon.

 

Gerry Gantt

2 Months Ago

I have the same problem that others have reported with the fields for titles and descriptions no longer showing up when editing the pin on Pinterest. I finally got an answer from one of their reps and it looks like it is up to Fine Art America to provide the fields for descriptions and titles before posting to Pinterest. The app used to do that but stopped sometime last year and I then depended on editing on Pinterest. If FAA doesn't go back to providing those fields, then we are out of luck and will only be able to do a bare-bones pin that at least does come back to our work here if someone clicks on it.
Info from Pinterest rep:
If you save a Pin from a website using the Browser button, the Pin title and description is predetermined by the website owner.

You are only able to add a title and description to your Pin if you upload it from your computer or mobile device but, once you add a website to the Pin, you can no longer edit it.

Regards,


Sid

 

Terry Walsh

10 Days Ago

I'm more confused about "proper" Pinterest page layout than ever now. Should my boards setup like galleries? (Water, Abstract, Landscapes etc...) or just random pictures?
Are keywords still relevant on Pinterest? Any feedback would be welcome: https://www.pinterest.com/terry0983
Looking at sites by @matthias @murray and @Rebecca, each displays differently.
Pinterest is one place where I've had engagement, so I don't want to punt just yet...

Cheers,

Terry

 

John Haldane

9 Days Ago

Every time I go to my Pinterest page (https://www.pinterest.com/johnhaldane), I have fewer followers than before. Why do people follow and then stop? Makes no sense.

I have followed and repinned and liked, and shared, and whathaveyou but I very rarely get followed or my pins repinned. I would say it is a waste of time except that i9mage searches sometimes show my pin and NOT anything from FAA/Pixels.

The internet is inconsistently weird.

 

Matthias Hauser

9 Days Ago

Terry, boards should be specific. No random pictures :-) Every board should have a good board title and a description.

Keywords are very relevant, you want to be found in search! Hashtags are not relevant any longer on Pinterest. Use natural descriptions, peppered with the right keywords.

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All things Pinterest: Blog, Pinterest Account Management, Online Course, Pin Design, Video Pins

 

Terry Walsh

9 Days Ago

Thanks Matthias. I must have inadvertently changed the page view from boards to random images. I've changed it back. Should I delete the board featuring the mock up images?

 

Matthias Hauser

9 Days Ago

Hi Terry, I think I understood your question wrong. Sorry about that. You meant the board cover settings, right? It doesn't really matter, you can set what you like better.

No need to delete boards or images though, just be sure they have a proper description.

I will be back tomorrow so if I got it wrong again: just let me know ;-)

 

Terry Walsh

9 Days Ago

Hi Matthias. Thanks again. If you can, take another look at my Pinterest site and see what you think. I've changed the banner and (hopefully) the default display so the home page displays my boards and not the individual pins. Still not seeing where to add keywords though?

Terry

 

Peggy Collins

9 Days Ago

Terry, Pinterest calls key words "alt tags" and you add them at the same time you add your title and description.

 

Steven Heap

8 Days Ago

The title of this thread really says it all. After looking at Pinterest from time to time, I just did not understand what I was trying to do and how to do it and reading endless forum discussions made it even harder as I tried to piece the various bits of advice together. So after ignoring external marketing for most of my FAA lifetime, I finally decided in March this year to do something about it and that started with Matthias' course. I saw the earlier comment about starting but not finishing the course, but I signed up just as he had updated it to take into account the latest changes in Pinterest, and I found it easy to work through all the sections in about a week or so of focused effort. Since then I have been posting regularly and starting to see some progress (I think!). I managed to claim my Pixels site and have Google Analytics installed to track visits, but the key determinant of success is increased sales and I did see 4 sales in May compared to my normal one.

I upped my activities on LinkedIn, Facebook and Instagram at the same time (which is outside the subject of this thread), but although I find Pinterest a pain, and I have been doing too much repinning on three different boards (with a decent interval), I at least understand what I am trying to do. I have tried story pins, mockup pins and straight posts from Pixels, but I'm not sure I have the history yet to judge the best approach, but I continue to learn. Will it pay off at the end of the day - well, watch this space!

I have written a blog post about how I approached all this external marketing if you are interested.

Steve
https://backyardsilver.com

 

J L Meadows

8 Days Ago

So are there ANY social media sites that actually help sales?

 

Tibor Tivadar Kui

8 Days Ago

I've never understood why is that grey shirt button spinning...whatever you do on Pinterest it keeps spinning, making me dizzy.

 

Matthias Hauser

8 Days Ago

Terry, the term keyword just means words (or phrases). Example: I love your Lake Tahoe Sunset image. If you want to be found in Pinterest search you have to tell Pinterest (in the Pin description) what the image is all about. So you would use both Lake Tahoe and Sunset within your Pin description. These are the keywords you try to rank for.

If you have lots of Lake Tahoe images I would recommend creating a board for those. The keyword phrase Lake Tahoe should be in the board title and description. And in every Pin that you save to this board.

As Peggy already mentioned: for some Pin formats there are also tags (you can choose from existing ones). Those tags are only available for Video Pins and Idea Pins as of now.

Hope this helps! :-)

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All things Pinterest: Blog, Pinterest Account Management, Online Course, Pin Design, Video Pins


 

Matthias Hauser

8 Days Ago

By the way, Steve's Blog is very interesting, with tons of helpful posts. Not only about Fine Art America but also about Stock Photography. Well worth a read.

Two recent ones about FAA and social media:

https://backyardsilver.com/using-social-media-to-boost-wall-art-sales-on-faa/
https://backyardsilver.com/social-media-for-photographers-part-2/

 

Paul Chandler

7 Days Ago

I use it , however, their decision to eliminate number of repins was and is frustrating. As a photographer, it is helpful to know which images are liked in real numbers, which the repin number helped identify. But, to even reach someone at customer service is a near impossible task. Personally, I think that the site is run by bots.

 

Tibor Tivadar Kui

7 Days Ago

I also use it, but don't understand anything from it...that kinda idiot I am. What I've noticed is that it brings a giant swarm of bots from Beverly Hills. Nothing else..

 

Mary Bedy

7 Days Ago

What Tibor said. I gave up on Pinterest. I think it may depend on your specific material whether it's a good bet for anyone.

 

Matthias Hauser

7 Days Ago

Paul, you should see the number of repins (saves). It depends on the type of Pin but you should see at least the last 180 days.

Do you use a personal account? You will need a Pinterest business account (they are free) to see all the stats and analytics. Hope this helps :-)

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All things Pinterest: Blog, Pinterest Account Management, Online Course, Pin Design, Video Pins

 

Terry Walsh

7 Days Ago

Thank you @Peggy Collins.

 

Terry Walsh

7 Days Ago

Thanks again Matthias. Looks like I've got some housecleaning to do, but this makes it a lot clearer.

Terry

 

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