That strict imposed 3:1 ratio is a big inconvenient. I make my panos in natural aspects...and many photographers do so. So thanks, I'll pass.
Besides that the 25MB limit is a technical impediment, it is very difficult to squeeze a good panorama into 25MB. And panos are mostly limited to art prints.
I was browsing your group and many images are not a 3:1 ratio. (landscape / wide) While maybe not an absolute requirement, it says that is "preferred."
I have several that are 2:1 that I think would look good over a couch though.
@Susan R - without going through every image in the group, it sure appears many are closer to the ratios you're describing.
Also, the requirement that the image must be featured in at least 3 other groups and those features must be listed in the image description.
I have images that have been featured at least 3 times elsewhere, but I don't normally go back in and edit to add that to my image descriptions. Features (and dates) are automatically shown under the image, why do I need to re-list those in my image description? Is there some advantage to that?
I used to put my features in my descriptions but I don't anymore, it's just too much work when you go through prolific periods. I also rarely do panoramas because I don't like how they render on the site, but I do only submit stuff to the group that has a landscape aspect. All that being said, I know that Barbie (who is a very good group admin, btw), has featured a couplefew of my images (not why I think she's a very good admin), so I don't know if those are strict rules or more of a "preference." Mebbe she'll come back and enlighten us.
"Your own good description about the particular image is a must.Cut and paste (from Wikipedia or elsewhere) is plagiarism;"....plagiarism has a completely other definition...sorry, but this criteria is non-sense.
Then here comes something weird:
" No celebrity images, no pets, no religious images, no nude/ erotica or demeaning images,"...all these categories are largely preferred for wall decor.
i don't make many pano's because they look terrible on this site, especially on products, i still don't know why it doesn't make a clean image. and a forced aspect ratio would be impossible to maintain.
the thing about groups with a 1000 rules are - i won't remember any of them a day from now, so i usually skip or ignore them.
5. No celebrity images, no pets, no religious images, no nude/ erotica or demeaning images, nothing disturbing. NO violence, hate, death, politics, creepy, bloody or gory images.
6. No superimposed text, no greeting cards, no shots of vintage paper goods or graffiti, no reproductions, screen shots or plagiarism. No public domain.
this eliminates so many things. if you wanted landscape - then just say that.
proper spelling is a problem for those that don't speak the language. forcing people to have a good description should not be a part of a group. not everything has one, and if they don't want to be found, then too bad. the point of a group is to be found there.
i will NEVER EVER list features, they look ugly, unprofessional, create that verbal spamming you just mentioned above that rule. the don't help the buyer, they don't care about that, and it just looks ugly, no one should ever do that, and groups should never require it. i don't pay attention if something was featured or not, i could have 100's of features, it would look really silly.
I won't feature poor quality work. I may reject any photo that could be an ordinary vacation snapshot or a photo or painting that could be taken as an advertisement.
i don't even know what that means. can't be a snap shot in your eyes, but if the image is way too good, it can't go up either?
i joined the group assuming its a normal group of putting work over couches, i didn't bother reading any of these rules. there is little point in entering anything in here because nothing anyone has will ever really be good enough.
Of the features on the group's front page, the majority are not 3:1.
Also, I thought graffiti wasn't allowed. There is one.
Here we go with that reverse psychology phenomena, where the group administrator has posted about their group on the general discussion board and ends up getting (negative) attention over it's rules and requirements, that apparently don't matter anyway because they are obviously not being adhered to or enforced.
On the other side of the coin, once in a while we see threads about contest or group administrators complaining about entrants who don't follow the rules......well..... We've yet to see any response to this from this group's administrator.
I originally thought the group was a fun and great idea (keyword - fun), but it hasn't taken long for me to change my mind. Maybe that's the point. To weed "us" out.
And, like many things, make it so tedious to qualify that only those willing to put in the effort to jump through all the hoops (or whatever) will be chosen.
Barbie, Tibor did not have a go at you about the file size. He said that if he had to put up the size you were asking for at the beginning, he's going to need to load bigger than 25mb as our limit is stifling... Basically.
Group admin have every right to make whatever rules they wish and members abide by them, or don't join. Don't just not read them because they're too long and then ignore them. Step away from the group. You know who I'm talking to!
Everyone else. Thank you for stating your cases and questioning with respect. We all know there are way too many people out there joining groups and adding anything they wish whatever the front page says. It can put admins on high alert.
Barbie. Keep the rules short. Sweet. To the point. Then just remove things that don't fit.
I concur with Jessica about listing group features in the image description. I questioned it early in this thread and wondered why it was required and / or what advantage it serves. Seems tedious and potentially always subject to change.
And it appears like bragging, which really has nothing to do with "describing" your artwork.
Do you think it impresses or encourages potential buyers?
Replying to the questions about listing group features:
As you know, only 3 icons show at a time and if one of them is an icon from the "Polish Sculpture Club" honoring a Texas photographer, it is not valid as getting a thumbs up from a fellow artist. (Believe me, I've seen stuff like that happen! It's one of many indications of a spam submission and an administrator who does not look and make choices.) Also if a group name is changed to CLOSED for Vacation, It is hard for me to judge if an icon represents a wonderful accolade.
Why add that to image descriptions? 1) So you can be given credit for 3 legit features even if 2 are as screwy as my examples above.
2) As with many rules and suggestions I offer to my groups, this is intended to be to the artists' benefit. It helps you get keywords into your description that you otherwise would not be able to work in easily.
People want to join exclusive clubs and buy best sellers. Since buyers do not see icons, a factual list of features will tell a potential buyer that your work has the approval of fellow artists without you bragging.
Thanks to those who discussed legit questions. This was intended to be a gracious invitation to join a new group that I hope to make worthwhile for all! (not a gripe fest for bored people.)
the feature listing is always a turn off. not only does it sound like a lot of bragging, but it adds clutter and again, customer do not care. people don't care about clubs or best sellers. because my best sellers are not a fav for all. its like i don't want to see the top grossing movie, it made money but that doesn't mean i like that kind of movie.
groups often have really stupid sounding names, which doesn't add credibility to my image, not to mention they change their names often, or vanish. and when it wins awards in 2011, and its 2021, it makes the image seem old and not popular even if it still sells. and not everyone has groups, they may only belong to yours. or they may have left those other groups. there are many reasons why i wouldn't list it in there, but mostly its messy. i don't like awards either.
listing awards is like looking at the back of the grocery store and seeing which bag boy got bagger of the month. i don't care, just fill the bag.
Tibor, regarding the safe filter. Three of my groups ( All Stars, The 200 Club and Over The Couch) are very labor intensive to help insure for buyers and sellers that items are saleable without returns. If someone adds a safe filter it takes even more of my time and if it requires a safe filter it is probably not acceptable anyway.
so whenever you upload an image there is this "Work Safe" on/off option...which says "Is this image safe for viewing at work? Please respect the other artists and visitors to Fine Art America and filter your own images. Nudity is allowed on Fine Art America and nude images are generally considered "work safe" as long as they are not too graphic. Please just use good judgment."...I have this all the time ON, because I'm not in the pornographic business..however I still don't get an exact understanding what "too graphic" means.
I have no horse in this race and think as Abbie says, people that run groups should be allowed to do whatever they want as long as it is within the rules of FAA.
Regarding the page that shows everyone their featured images Abbie also said: " It took me 9 years to get this page as it is not at all necessary to sales".
I totally agree that in and of itself, it has no value towards sales. However, if you use having been featured in groups in your OUTSIDE FAA marketing, this page is a great resource. And I thank you very much Abbie for helping this along. I have used it several times already since I discovered it in another thread.
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