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Brian L

9 Days Ago

Archival Matte Paper - Warping From Humidity

Hello Community,

I bought and framed a 30 x 30 archival matte print a few months ago. I live in a humid area, and I notice on more humid days the paper noticeably warps. Other than the predictable warping, I am very happy with the quality of the paper and the print.

Which paper option comes close to the quality and texture of archival matte but is more resilient to humid conditions? Any other experiences or thoughts?

Thanks for the guidance!

Brian

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Cyril Jayant

9 Days Ago

Any archival Museum paper is very sensitive to the humidity. So according to the level of the humidity in the environments the paper is going to react or curl.
There's no solution except the maintaining the humid level .That's why in many museums, archival collectors use humid controlling meters and humidifiers to monitor their spaces. Only other way is to have prints on RC ( Resin coted = Plastic based) plastic based papers to have the photos. Or other wise canvas prints. RC papers are short longed and easily decaying to the environments Gas and UV light. That's is why they are cheaper than linen or fibre papers like Baryta ( a special barium sulphate coating) Paper.

 

Now THAT is what I call an answer!

 

Roy Erickson

8 Days Ago

Curiosity kills cats - but questions: Did you have it professionally framed? did the framer put a backing on the frame - all archival stuff - and is the glazing museum quality glass or is is acrylic?

Next - and I do not know the answer - could the image be adhered to an acid free mat board which would keep it from buckling?

 

Brian L

7 Days Ago

Thank you all so much for the responses!

This further confirms I am amateur. Haha.

Roy, to answer your question, I went into this clueless. I just appreciate art, wanted to beautify my apartment, and cluelessly bought the poster and frame hoping for the best. I did the framing myself (acrylic) and it shows.

I think Cyril's suggestions will help a lot as well. Question is which route to take: place my current print in a more appropriate frame, order the poster in RC (which I get the impression is less desirable), or both.

Thoughts?

 

Mario Carta

7 Days Ago

Well this is informative, Over the past weekend I created two giant artworks using archival luster photo paper a total of 40 sheets of 13" x 19" prints for the two projects.

What I did was glue the prints onto a 1/2" thick pvs sheet 4' x 8' and then I clear coated with crystal clear acrylic spray over the heavy 66lb archival photo paper, at first it all looked great but the next day is was warped. I thought it was the clear coat but in fact it wasn't, it appears to be the humidity, I live in Florida and these two days I did the work and they are outdoor works the humidity was really high as it had rained the night before.

Well at least now I know what I'm dealing with, I thought it might have also been a problem with the 3m spray adhesive I used used to glue the prints, but now it sounds like a humidity problem.

I'm wondering if I should do the next large works using real cotton canvas sheets to avoid the warping? If anyone knows I be happy to hear.

. Wall Art

 

Peggy Collins

7 Days Ago

This sort of leads to the question of why Fine Art America lists their archival matte paper as "recommended" iff it warps under humid conditions.

 

Brian L

7 Days Ago

Thank you, Peggy. I half considered asking for at least a partial refund. Still not sure if it's justified, but as a layman in this world, I could have used more information when ordering. Humidity ought to be a major consideration.

And thanks for sharing that, Mario. Your investment was far more ambitious than mine, and unlike me it sounds like you know what you're doing. Sorry your project turned out like that. I wonder how much the warping might straighten out again in drier conditions?

 

Peggy Collins

7 Days Ago

@Brian, it never hurts to ask!

 

Mario Carta

7 Days Ago

Brian, good point you bring up about the prints getting better when the humidity is lower. That is actually what happened I brought them inside and laid the prints on the floor one on top of the other to weigh them down flat and left them over night. The following day I took them back outside in full sunlight and heat of the day and the warping improved greatly.

 

Revad David Riley

6 Days Ago

Looking at this from another perspective.

A metal print would work well in a humid environment.

No reason why it can't be framed, if that is the look you desire.

DAVE
https://revad.pixels.com

 

David Smith

6 Days Ago

I don't believe that FAA offers prints on RC paper as an option.

Acrylic or metal would be the solution here.

 

David Smith

6 Days Ago

Peggy

All paper prints will warp if displayed in humid conditions.

"Archival" has to do with image permanence, and that's only under ideal storage conditions.

 

David Randall

6 Days Ago

My experience after more than 50 years in custom framing, is that this is a constant issue with any work on paper. If you use thicker papers it will stay flat better than thinner papers 140lb water color vs a 300 lb. (very heavy paper) for instance. If the work is a poster I would simply dry mount it (usually in a heat press). It's a permanent process generally and a poster has little value. If it were a limited edition I would not mount it because it will devalue the print. For longevity, I never use spray mounts. They eventually bubble or otherwise break loose. Most spray mounts also have acid content and yellow with age.

Many assume that more is better when taping art into a mat. More tape simply exacerbates the issue because the paper can not move and will more likely buckle over time unless it is in a temperature/humidity controlled environment. Minimal, "T-hinges" at the top edge only is much better and not taped to the mat but to the backing. I avoid pressure sensitive tapes too. Even the, "acid free" pressure sensitive tapes can be problematic. They can let loose on a hot day. I'm in SC and yes almost everyone has AC however one day in the heat and things can happen.

 

Peggy Collins

6 Days Ago

Good to know, David S.

Great information, David R.

 

Mario Carta

6 Days Ago

David Randall, I know I should have consulted you before. Great information, there is no match for experience! :-)

 

Roy Erickson

6 Days Ago

Mario - I would go with a good weight canvas for a project that size - OR - find a sheet of Marine Grade plywood, gesso the heck out of it - and go from there. Just a half penny thought. rd

 

Mario Carta

6 Days Ago

Thanks Roy, I think you are right about the canvas, the marine grade plywood is priced like gold these days, lol! Actually the pvc board I like a lot it's not so heavy that I can't lift it by myself, I don't recall what I paid for those. I take these works outside but at the end of the day they come inside.

I have gotten used to the warping already and you really can't tell unless you are standing right in front of the pieces and even so they still look good to me. I will certainly look to correct this in future works. The canvas though I want to give a shot at.

 

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