I have noticed so many of you artists choose to join the groups. I have created few Groups to understand how those groups work. Then I understand so many people are running like hell through groups with just one photo to chuck in and see what will happens next. Mostly there are lot of trolling too as I can see through their portfolios they have no images what- so- ever . They never bothers to read the description as to understand what is the the aim the group.
I must say" Big chapeau " to those who are already in this business of maintaining and running a group with great results. They have lot of work and thinking.
if there are a million rules to follow, no one will follow anything. if the title makes little sense, like you call it - - a sense of wonder. and you want still lives, people won't remember what you want and will put anything in there. i have hundreds of groups, can't remember beyond the title.
i don't see how one is trolling just because they have no photos. they can be a buyer and they are watching the group. or they only want to join the group forum and want to keep an eye on it. or they are in it, but either they erased the images, or the site erased them.
making a group is like owning a pet. they are fun and cute as babies and then you have to constantly clean up after them. and when you get bored of their whining, peeing and maintaining them, they toss it away. sometimes its adopted, more often than not, its tossed into some alley to be forgotten about.
LOL, Mike. My group is low profile which is just as I like it. I have not had to remove too many images (some people don't read the description), and so far there's been no whining. Certainly no peeing!
To be honest with you, from belonging to dozes of groups and running several, I get the impression that most people feel it is more about quantity than it is quality.
I take Mike's approach. I can't remember how many a day or what the details are unless it is in the title so I just post what I think is appropriate the best I can remember. If I violate the rules I am fine with the administrator tossing me out of the group.
"I must say" Big chapeau " to those who are already in this business of maintaining and running a group with great results. They have lot of work and thinking." ~ Cyril Jayant
Thank You for that observation.
Yes, I reject almost 9 out of 10 applicants these days to my group. As you say... they don't read the criteria. And since I put a bit more extra effort into it, I expect them to respect it. There are no apologies that I offer.
Respect me, respect others that do read the guidelines and follow them, and I'll respect you. Simple equation.
Cheers Glenn, and thank you everyone I learn a lot from you all.
I think it is important to know we as photographers or creative artists we are emotional creatures of every thing we ( own ) as creators. Yes we are blind and most of the time we can't edits our own photos, as an example. Everything we own or present is the best blindly. This is a normal thing. Our emotions makes us blind. But I din't mentioned about Nude photos. I got them within a week. Someone came with a t-shirst collection. showered me with them. another one had few paintings and one person with two images Non relevant to what we discuss as the themes of the groups. They are all trollers as they have Zero in the profile freshly doing the site.
As MIKE SAYS " i don't see how one is trolling just because they have no photos. they can be a buyer and they are watching the group. or they only want to join the group forum and want to keep an eye on it. or they are in it, "
I do not think buyers are so ignorant. All they have to do is to do browse the prestigious galley collection by searching on the main menu bar. without even getting into some group galleries like ours.
I agree with Frank, I definitely want to have a MICHELIN STAR RESTAURANT AND cater for a small GROUP WHO WILL APPRECIATE TO DISCOVER THE REAL TASTE.
I think it needs time. and thank you very one . It is a bit fun to have this chat, CHEERS!!!
I have several members following my groups without images on their profiles, and I suspect those are buyers or collectors. They know the groups where the admin put human eyeballs to the artwork not yet ranked by the website.
It would be interesting to develop a database report on hits to see whether the people that look at contests and groups are "Us" or buyers. Based on the sales I have, I'd describe it as image content more than anything else and that's probably keywords or content categories seen on the screens. Contests and groups appear to be a harmless thing, but, especially contests, seem to be us entertaining us.
often when i get a sale, i entered that item into a contest. groups i only enter when i upload a new thing. so based on that timing, i would say contests are best. and if i recall its usually the ones that only have 3 entries and usually theme specific - not just - post anything rectangular or square in shape. the timing of entering the contest and getting the sale is too much of a coincidence for it to be random.
If you do a research on the how many contests photos have being bought by the Contest creators. Then there is an answer to you thinking.
How many images have been sold due to their archival or historic value then that is where your focus Nitsch to start. I have sold many of my images based on that point . Not based on contest. As we are all living to be competitive and all our life style is to be a competitor .
That's why so may people are limited in thinking and limited in creating.
@Cyril "Then I understand so many people are running like hell through groups with just one photo to chuck in and see what will happens next. Mostly there are lot of trolling too as I can see through their portfolios they have no images what- so- ever . They never bothers to read the description as to understand what is the the aim the group. "
Yep. Some people throw their xxxx at the wall to see what sticks. In groups and contests.
Thank you Abbie,
Do you think we could do a contest based on the collective contributors within a group to attract specific buyers or collectors.
Do you have any basic blue print to help us.
I hear everyone is talking about "anonymous mystery contesters or buyers ". In some groups I have several with nothing in their profile.
One bio says. I am the killer and hi-jaker of the internet. Are they the MISTRY BUYERS AND COLLECTORS. I am confused..