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Mike Savad

7 Days Ago

Looking For A Better Surface For My Wacom

the wacom comes with a rough surface that files down nibs super fast. i don't like that. i replaced it with a sheet of tablet glass. but no matter how i mount this thing on the surface, it cracks within a week or two of having it. the first sheet lasted for months, i don't get why since i allowed flex. the second one i filled in the gap with paper and it still broke, the third just broke in the center where i was erasing something, only lasted a week.


they claim to have a life time promise on it and they are upholding it, but i can see very fast i will be going through these like paper cups and these so called life time things, they vanish over night and open as a new store.

i was thinking of getting a 3 pack, as they claim to have a lifetime too, and at least i think i would get a 3 pack each time one broke, or that is the theory.

but instead of glass, i would like to find a plastic material that is as smooth as tablet glass. i know the wacom has a fine surface but i think that's to rough too. and i suppose i could keep using it until its polished smooth, but i was wondering if anyone knows of a very hard material that i can use instead, and not worry about it cracking.

it has to be as hard as glass or it will drag.

anyone have any ideas?

do you have the wacom's finest cover? does it sand down the nibs?

thanks


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

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Carmen Hathaway

7 Days Ago

 
I posted in a similar thread of yours, some time ago about surfaces & nibs, that nibs wearing down aren't an issue for me,
as I make my own for pennies on the dollar using grass trimmer plastic line.

I can cut and sand the nibs down to custom size to fit my Wacom stylus perfectly.

I had a student once who wore down paper surface while drawing. Even erasing, she would sometimes erase with intense pressure, tearing holes in the paper.

She was very tense — the resulting pressure on a stylus, or any drawing implement destroyed the paper until I noticed what was happening and helped her with that issue.

Have you tried using sheet mylar? The thickness used on desk cover protectors, usually are available in matte, and gloss.

Also inexpensive.

 

Patti Deters

7 Days Ago

I don't use a Wacom so I have no idea if this is viable - but have you tried a flexible ipad screen protector? It should stick to the surface of the Wacom and remove any movement that could cause cracking. I have not idea if this would work, but it's something that came to mind as I read your post. Good luck whatever you try!

 

Sandi OReilly

7 Days Ago

Mike, have the same problem with nibs and always looking for a different stylus. Patti, great idea, will check this out. Here is what I have found they say I can use on my tablet. Depends on which one you have.

Compatible pen brands

Hi-uni DIGITAL for Wacom.
STAEDTLER, Noris digital.
LAMY, AL-star black EMR.
Mitsubishi Pencil 9800 Digitizer pen for raytrektab, 9800 Pencil.
Raytrektab, DG-D08IWP.
Samsung, Galaxy Note and Tab S Pen.

 

Tatiana Travelways

7 Days Ago

I want to get a Wacom myself and had not idea about this issue. However, reading here I thought the same as Patti said: a film used for ipad. That is extremely resistant and great on mine.

 

Mike Savad

7 Days Ago

trimmer line fit the old model, but they changed the design. also i never found the nibs to work. it always skipped on me or something. they also made a metal nib but also doesn't fit my pen as far as i know. i think i would work through the tablet itself if it was metal though.

not sure if i have mylar, i think the problem there would be, the tip would cut it. they design the tips to wear down for some reason. (i know the reason). and it creates a sharp edge. and i think the thinness would bunch up. what i need is something like the glass, something very thin, but smooth and wrinkle free.

i tried to ease up on the pressure with the settings, but i lost my control of it.

i was also thinking of that plastic film, i may have to try that as an option. it would be flat, not sure how long it would last though i would if it would catch at all.

with the original surface i was going through a nib a week. and at a dollar per nib, that's nuts. with the glass, provided it didn't crack, after dulling the tip now and then with a file, i could get 2 months out of one nib. which is more like it.

i also didn't know there were other pens that worked with wacom. i wonder if it has the same control.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Carmen Hathaway

7 Days Ago

 

Mike, the mylar I'm referring to, used in desk covers, couldn't possible bunch up, or wrinkle.

It's a relatively thick plastic, not like the mylar of balloons.

I've seen it for sale on Amazon Grand & Toy, etc. Locally I've always been able to purchase it at a local stationery store.

This is one style — there are many different ones


https://www.grandandtoy.com/en/product/ART79026_Artistic_Paper_Desk_Protector.aspx

 

Mike Savad

7 Days Ago

i was thinking the balloon..

that might be too soft. kind of pricey to experiment with. i have some film for some phone i can try, its certainly cheaper to get the film over the plastic. ideally thin is best because my wrist gets irritated on the edge, the glass is just at the right thickness, but thin would be better.

i'll have to keep my eyes open for hard plastics now i guess. i was thinking even metal might work. but it will probably block the signal too. and i don't have any metal that would fit it maybe.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Mike Savad

7 Days Ago

just tried the film, unless they make them harder than what i have. it created too much drag. i need something that just glides. even window glass is too soft, i find it scratches or the scratches on it caused clicking.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Carmen Hathaway

7 Days Ago

 

Also, look up this one @ Walmart.

Artistic Second Sight Desk Protector, Clear, 19" x 24"

 

Mike Savad

7 Days Ago

i'd have to play with it in a store. i have a feeling anything plastic will just be too soft.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Carmen Hathaway

7 Days Ago

 

Trying it out at the store would be the way to go.

Am curious though as to how intense a pressure you're applying as you draw.

Sounds excessive.

 

Mike Savad

7 Days Ago

its not super intense though the eraser may need adjusting. i'd say by pencil if i remember those right i'd say it was like between a 2 and a 3, its not a soft touch, its more like making a dark line.

its hard to adjust the pressure on those things. one dit too low and while its better for my hand, i can't control the shade, it just flows out. and one dit too high and i'm putting too much pressure on it.

but its cracking in random places. the first one i think cracked on the top. the next was on a corner near a button like something dropped on it. it might have, but i'm pretty careful. this current one is smack in the middle, and the glass up against the surface with no bend space. so i dunno...


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Joan Stratton

7 Days Ago

Hi Mike, have you tried Perspex it is a hard plastic just like glass and comes in various thicknesses. It may work well, certainly wouldn't break but I am not sure how it will go over time when your pen gets sharp edges (as you mentioned above) it may scratch the surface. Not sure about the US but here in Australia I would suggest going getting an off cut from a supplier (carpenter, picture framer, builder etc) and test it before you buy the size you need.

 

Mike Savad

6 Days Ago

amazon seems to think its plexiglass. but they may just be using that as a spam word, because plexi is soft. others seem to be calling it a broken glass replacement but don't come in sizes that fit the tablet. and the larger sheets are more expensive. i'm not sure i know of any framers, though a sample would be nice. its at least something to look at, thanks.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Mario Carta

6 Days Ago

Mike have you tried Lexan polycarbonate sheets or stryn polycarbonate or High Impact Polystyrene ?

 

Mike Savad

6 Days Ago

i think i tried those. too soft. it makes a groove. i used to use very thin lexan for my old tablet. the nib was made of a different material and my old plastic version worked great for that. i lightly sanded it. but when i tried it on this one, it dragged and i could feel all the scratch marks. the hard part is, i have different plastics in the basement, but none of them are really scratch free.

i ordered samples of that perspex, and crossing my fingers. i don't need a lot of it.

and its weird that normal window glass also drags. i don't know what they do to the phone glass that makes it that smooth. i wonder if there is phone glass, but thicker? i don't know what that stuff is even called. and i can't cut it. it has to fit a surface pro 3, that's the size more or less that fits.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

Joy McKenzie

6 Days Ago

Mike, here's an article on the evolution of the different types of glass used on the iPhone screens.... Gorilla glass to Corning ceramic glass. Maybe there's a way to get a sample from Corning?

https://cnet.com/how-to/apple-iphone-12-ceramic-shield-screen

(wouldn't let me copy/paste the URL, so I typed it and I hope it works)

 

Mike Savad

6 Days Ago

maybe. looking at the tablet, even a medium would work, 6x9 is the actual working area. i was hoping to find something cheaper but no. i did notice that on certain products on amazon, if its large they offer a replacement if it cracks, but not small. and ipad, doesn't offer anything replaced, only android. strange.


----Mike Savad
http://www.MikeSavad.com

 

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