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Rich Franco

6 Days Ago

Attack Of The "digital-ness"

Hello to All!!

Another issue and I've mentioned this on an earlier thread, but have learned a thing or two, since. Here is the image that I'm asking about, or what's LEFT of this image.

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Here's the thing. When I capture this image, on my old Canon 1Ds MKIII, to a newish 64gb memory card and then review it when still in the camera/card, the image looks fine. THEN, when I attach the card to a card reader and then open it up, the image is STILL GOOD!

ONLY when I open Photoshop, up to date now, does this digital-ness show-up! So NOW, a Photoshop/Bridge issue???

Extra credit: I'm shooting both a RAW, this image here, and also a small jpeg and the digital-ness doesn't show up on the small jpeg! SO a RAW/Bridge thingie!!!???

Rich

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Christine Hauber

6 Days Ago

Does it do it with all images from that camera/card? The image you see on the camera is just a preview I believe and not the full image. I would suspect that if it is just this image then it is that file that could be corrupt. Do you reformat your card after downloading your images? (this is one way to avoid this in the future). Do you have any other imaging apps that you can use to look at the image?

 

Joy McKenzie

6 Days Ago

Am I crazy that I like it? I haven't seen it otherwise though.

 

Rich Franco

6 Days Ago

Christine,

No, this shows up ONLY first in BRIDGE and then when I open it as a RAW file, shows up there too. There is another image sorta like this, not as bad, out of the 60 or so "test shots" I did this morning! Interestingly, this SAME card was used yesterday by me, doing the SAME test and out of maybe 80 test shots, ALL WERE GOOD!!! Yes, the card has been formatted a couple of times before I started to use it this morning. always format any card as I put it into the camera...

Yes and did look at the images first in the card, using Windows and no issues, ONLY when I download it to Bridge does it show up....

JOY, JOY, JOY....It IS kinda interesting, but not what I want for this afternoon's car show......LOL!

Rich

 

Ron Frazier

6 Days Ago

Hi Rich,

Random thoughts.

* Dirt on the contacts for the memory card.
* Try both jpg and raw in another photo editor.
* Run a chkdisk on your hard drive without autocorrect on at first.
* If relevant, delete the data cache, not the data STORE, for photoshop. Don't know if it's relevant.
* Reset the software to default settings (painful).
* Reinstall the software (painful). Be sure to preserve your image archive and addons.
* Check the settings in the camera (unlikely). Make sure you don't have a posterize filter turned on or something.
* Check the settings in photoshop Make sure you don't have a posterize filter turned on or something.
* Try a totally different workflow. Different camera, memory card, editor, folder on PC.
* Can you reproduce it in other pictures.
* Graphics card going bad (unlikely or you'd notice it).
* Camera going wonky. Hopefully not. Make sure camera battery is fully charged.

Good luck.

Ron

 

Tibor Tivadar Kui

6 Days Ago

If you have some any other editor, try to open with that. The result will be conclusive...tbh I've never seen anything like this except sensor failure...which from what you said it is not the case.
If it is the Photoshop scrap that version...

 

Rich Franco

6 Days Ago

Ron,

Thanks but, msot of your suggestions would apply if ALL images were affected and not random like this. Out of 60 images or so, only two were affected. WHEN I open using some Windows software, the digital-ness doesn't appear...only after I view it in Bridge and ONLY the RAW file.

Tibor, yepper, tried that, and it doesn't show up other than in Bridge.....

Off to the car show now and will use this same card and see if it shows up. As I mentioned above, I used this card ans shot 80+ test images YESTERDAY and no issues!!!

Rich

 

Bill Swartwout

6 Days Ago

The card "could" be going bad and getting a couple of glitchy spots. How long since you formatted the card - in the camera?

 

Tibor Tivadar Kui

6 Days Ago

I would say it is 99% the software...it is a crap. Anyone else who knows more than me from digital analyses of images can tell you more and why. You can try to reinstall it. If it is the same then you will have the conclusion...

 

Rich Franco

6 Days Ago

Bill,

As mentioned, I formatted the card twice, which I do every time with a card into the memory slot....not the card....

Tibor,

Just got back from the car show, 198 images, was raining, and NO ISSUES! SAME CARD!!! So, for me, its a Photoshop problem, maybe only "Bridge".....

Rich

 

David Smith

6 Days Ago

Camera issue that damaged the raw file.
The in camera jpeg and the embedded jpeg preview in the raw file were processed in a separate pathway in the camera and were undamaged.

 

Linda Lee Hall

6 Days Ago

I've never had images come off the memory card like that, but when I go back through old images, I occasionally find images that have been corrupted in this way. It has been happening since about 2006 or so for me, but again, only images that have been in storage on an HDD for a while. I've always thought it was a Bridge issue, but now you have me wondering. I think I'm going to look for some that are corrupted, upload them to iCloud and open them on my iPad and see what happens. I'm on PC, but I want to see how the iPad would handle them.

 

Rich Franco

5 Days Ago

David,

WHY would the camera have anything to do with this? Not seen IN THE CAMERA and NOT seen when previewed in Windows, only until I open up Bridge and see it there?

Linda,

Interesting, please let me know what you find....

Rich

 

David Smith

5 Days Ago

Rich

The previews you see on the camera or in windows are not generated from the raw file.

Bridge does generate a new preview from the raw file. If the raw file is corrupted it usually happens in camera.

 

David Bridburg

5 Days Ago

DS,

Corrupted memory in simple terms?

 

Tibor Tivadar Kui

5 Days Ago

If the 'memory' is corrupted, that is the stored information is altered then viewing it by any editor it will look damaged, some may not even load it up.
As Rich said, several editors are loading and displaying the image alright, only Photoshop with Bridge creates that 'artifact'....so it is elementary logic.

If the camera is set to record RAW+JPG, first it records the RAW, then it transforms to JPG (with given presets) .If the the RAW is damaged, the resulting JPG will be damaged , most likely not even created.

 

Rich Franco

5 Days Ago

Good Morning to All!

Just now, took another card, an older SanDisk Ultra II 4GB, 15 MB/S and shot some tests in the back. 37 pairs, RAW and Jpeg and NO issues with the results. Opened in Windows, no digital-ness stuff, then opened in Bridge and still no problems. So, my thinking is that it isn't the camera, and isn't the card, but Adobe, ACR or Bridge. I see the stuff in Bridge, before I upload it to ACR.....and as mentioned, ONLY the RAW file is affected, not the jpeg....

Rich

 

David Bridburg

5 Days Ago

Rich,

It is a specific spot in the memory of the camera. It is not the entire memory. I am rusty on the terms for that.

 

Tibor Tivadar Kui

5 Days Ago

David,

it would be quite a coincidence that always the RAW files are getting that spot...and the RAW file is created first, the JPG is created as a conversion...so if the RAW is corrupted cannot result a good JPG...imho.

 

Rich Franco

5 Days Ago

Tibor,

I agree....but kinda weird. Totally inconsistent. The card I use this morning, was sitting on my desk, with a sticky note saying "bad?" from the first time this showed up a few months ago. Used that card and as mentioned, no problems....

Rich

p.s. months ago, I think somebody mentioned it might be the card reader itself....

 

Bill Swartwout

5 Days Ago

It sounds almost like...time...

Time to buy a couple of new cards - AND - a new camera in which the cards can be used - AND - a new computer to handle the processing - AND - all new software with which to do that processing.

There, that should eliminate all the possible suspects. However, you may FIRST need to buy a winning lottery ticket.

LOL

Sorry, that's one of those weird "gremlin" things that may be easily, all of a sudden, be resolved or may never be resolved.

More seriously, I would start with a couple of new cards. I've been using Lexar 32GB (400x Speed) for SEVERAL YEARS. They have always been good to me and large enough because I usually change cards during a shoot - just so everything won't be lost if I damage a card. I am about to buy some new ones (especially after reading this thread). My exact cards are no longer made, they are now 633x Speed and are $20 for a pair at Amazon.

 

Roger Swezey

5 Days Ago

My observations are coming from someone who doesn't really know what he's talking about.

ANYHOW

To me, it looks like photoshop added additional layers (maybe from other images you had previously created).

Is it possible to check that "Corrupted" image for additional layers?

 

Tibor Tivadar Kui

5 Days Ago

before the winning lottery ticket, I would try to take step by step to eliminate what cannot be the culprit..then to reinstall PS and Bridge, even to reinstall them on a different device...and all the others...cards, card reader...

 

David Smith

5 Days Ago

Guys

It's not the card, it's not the card reader, it's not photoshop.

It's the camera.

I've had this before with a Canon 5D and that's what I was told by Canon.

It may be a failing component or a trace that's going bad on a flexiboard.

The camera generates jpegs using different circuitry than it uses to write the raw file to the card. The jpegs are generated from the raw info in the camera buffer before the raw is written to the card. The corruption happened after they were created.

 

Rich Franco

5 Days Ago

Guys,

Yeah, UNTIL I win the Lottery or start selling 500 images a month here....most likely won't be buying a new camera! With that said, will try and create the problem again on the original card and then switch cards and see if I can create it again.

David S. will call Canon tomorrow or online and see if they have s fix, software, or something....

Rich

 

David Smith

4 Days Ago

Rich

If you get the problem again, don't delete the file from the card or reformat it.

At the time I had the issue I downloaded the corrupt file to 3 different computers using different card readers and direct from the camera, so I know it wasn't a bad transfer or a computer problem.

Canon found a bad trace in a flexiboard and was able to replace it under warranty.

 

Mike Savad

4 Days Ago

Watch this become your best seller....

I would try hooking the camera right to the camera and leave out the reader. I'm thinking the reader and your program aren't playing nice. I once had a card reader mess up a xD card and had to change it out.

The only other time I saw this more or less this effect, was when a guy dropped his nikon into a pool or something. And water got in. That created that weird tri tone pattern of weirdness. Its weird how it starts as good.

When I first got my 5d mk3, I had half the image missing or messed up, they had to replace the motherboard, and was about to charge me a good amount of money, until I told them its still under warranty and they replaced that.


----Mike Savad

 

Mike Savad

4 Days Ago

Also did you try another card? Just because its new doesn't mean its not bad. The camera rushes info to the memory on the card and it might have messed up along the way. Also does it do it in JPG mode?


----Mike Savad

 

Rich Franco

4 Days Ago

David,

Will try and contact Canon today, but busy day today, electrician coming tomorrow to "remediate" my aluminum wiring to copper, at the connections and the breaker panel and he's let me do most of the work! Pulling the switches and outlets out, adding "pigtails" to the new switches and outlets, moving all the furniture from ALL the outlets, etc. I'm probably saving $2000 or more!

Not sure Canon would cover this, since my 1Ds MKIII.....

Mike,

I've tried another card, which you would have learned, had YOU read above, but I know you don't like doing that.....right? Don't think it's the card reader, since that is the only reader I've been using for the cards, for the last years or so.

*** Just shot another 54 pairs, 108 files, from the original card, 64GB. and not issues.....

Rich

 

I was going to say the same, that I kind of like it. Looks like filtered color effects of slight embossing or frosted sepia on the trees/bushes. The raw generating works, lol.

 

Rich Franco

3 Days Ago

Coreltia,

Thanks, I think! LOL! Probably would work on some images!

Rich

 

Chuck De La Rosa

3 Days Ago

I've had this happen. Format the card in-camera, not on your PC. It creates the correct block size for the camera and the best overall compatibility. If you continue to see this with this card, it may be that the card went bad. They don't last forever.

 

Rich Franco

3 Days Ago

Chuck,

Don't think so. I ONLY reformat in camera! And I do it TWICE in camera! Thinking more Adobe software issue.....

Rich

 

Jason Fink

3 Days Ago

Rich, just post it as an abstract and call it a day. I've seen way worse stuff here!

 

Rich Franco

3 Days Ago

Jason,

Thanks for the "marketing tip"!!! This would make a terrific shower curtain.....Why don't YOU go first....?

Rich

 

David Smith

3 Days Ago

Rich

It's not an Adobe issue because neither photoshop nor bridge change raw files.

They treat all raw files as "read only"

 

Chuck De La Rosa

3 Days Ago

Rich I thought you said above you format in the card slot in your PC. I'm thinking you have a card. Something got written wrong and Adobe doesn't like it.

 

Rich Franco

3 Days Ago

Chuck,

Yeah, I only use the camera, somebody told me years ago to do that....and this issue has shown up on 2 different cards.....and NOT ALL THE TIME either!!!

Rich

 

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