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David Bridburg

12 Days Ago

Art In The Metaverse

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/forget-making-art-studio-artists-now-developing-latest-works-metaverse-2052959

There is a lot to unpack here. The two main art images are incredible for their perspectives.

Culturally there is a lot to unpack here. Gender sensitivity, NFTs, involvement of gaming in the fine art world, young art investors reaching for middle age.....

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David King Studio

12 Days Ago

That is one market I will definitely not be pursuing.

 

Andrew Pacheco

12 Days Ago

I'm with David King on this

It's interesting how, facebook changing it's name and talking about the metaverse has lit up people's imaginations about this early 2000's technology. It kind of reminds me of virtual reality, which I suppose is tied in. Back in the 90's VR was going to be the next new frontier, but it never quite lived up to that potential. Even with viewers that allowed you to insert your cell phone and get a VR experience just a few years back, Virtual Reality has kind of stalled out.

I don't really see this metaverse thing taking the world by storm, unless technology really changes and these worlds can give us a Fantasy Island type experience that we actually believe is real.

People buying things in virtual worlds, and using virtual currencies to do so has a long way to go before it replaces the real world economy. At least the way I see it, anyway.

 

Bill Tomsa

12 Days Ago

"We live in a fantasy world, a world of illusion. The great task in life is to find reality."

Iris Murdoch

As per brainyquote.com

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/iris_murdoch_386009?src=t_reality

 

David Bridburg

12 Days Ago

People have more spare time with each passing decade. VR is not meant to replace the real world. It is simply another escape. People watch TV all day, people play video games all day. This is related to video games becoming VR.

The art is an outcome or outgrowth of the activity. It marries up people coding with their artistry. The art can be very impressive.

We have people here who earlier on were doing some of this. The tools have improved greatly. The collective imagination has moved forward as people play games on other people's coding. It is building on itself.

Clearly I have gone over to the other side. I am not spending time gaming as some of you are. I am not watching TV or engaging VR. I am engaging the artistry. I am moving to produce my own.

 

Mike Savad

12 Days Ago

I remember art on the SIMS game, I wonder whatever happened to that?


----Mike Savad

 

David Bridburg

12 Days Ago

I vaguely remember that.

It seemed hard to monetize.

But anything seems hard to monetize when you are new to it.

 

Mario Carta

11 Days Ago

Hey David I've just started investing in the metaverse, bought into sandbox and then I got cold feet and traded into defi instead but I will get back in to test the waters as I learn more.

I don't understand it well in it's practical uses and I'm not much at all into gaming or even it's art aspect or applications, but as an opportunity to make money I see great potential, much more than in trying to do something with my art.

A lot to wrap one's head around for sure, but interesting for sure!



 

David Bridburg

11 Days Ago

Mario,

I hear you, it is interesting.

 

Andrew Pacheco

10 Days Ago

In the early 200's when Second Life first came out, I explored that world looking for ways to monetize it. It didn't really click with me, but there was definitely some potential...and there were people who made money there at that time. They probably still do.

These things may catch on in a big way going forward, especially with younger generations. I have been tempted to dip my toes in one of the metaverse ETF's to capitalize on it like Mario mentioned. I haven't as of yet. I'm just more comfortable investing in tangible things. Traditional mutual funds, REITs,and blue chip stocks let me sleep well at night. I'm probably wrong, looking at how well some social media and fintech stocks have done but I just can't put my faith in virtual worlds or virtual art.

 

David Bridburg

10 Days Ago

Andrew,

I read something truly great on a financial board recently, "you only need to get rich once. Taking risks can delay that."

I have a concept that will be a product very soon for selling. The proceeds will go into old fashioned investments. I do not plan to hold crypto currencies for long.

As a fine art product digital art has been problematic for values. Think digital photography and the declining value of stock photography. NFTs for many reasons create more value in a goodly portion of digital artwork. That does not assume a photo taken in 2015 would be worth much more after minting it as an NFT. There is a very broad definition that is expanding as very creative digital fine art. That culture needs a great deal more understanding for artists to truly profit. Recent art student grads have an advantage unless we individually explore what is going on. There is nothing really holding us back.

 

Andrew Pacheco

10 Days Ago

David,

"you only need to get rich once. Taking risks can delay that." I love it!

I understand your thinking/hoping that NFTs can increase the value (or the perceived value may be more accurate), of digital art and photography. Personally, I can't wrap my mind around how it would happen.

I do think that there is a lot more than an issue with perceived values when it comes to digital art and photography, though. In the case of the declining value of stock photography, it actually has a lot to do with the lower barriers to entry for photographers in the digital medium and the modern technology driven marketplace for the images.

When it comes to digital art, some of the perception of it's value is based on the fact that there is no tangible original. Making it seem more along the lines of prints of traditional mediums and both film and digital photography prints. In a sense, technology has helped to cheapen the perceived value of visual arts, and some have hopes that technology will do just the opposite with NFTs and the Metaverse.

Interesting!

 

David King Studio

10 Days Ago

"it actually has a lot to do with the lower barriers to entry for photographers in the digital medium and the modern technology driven marketplace for the images."

Yep, that's a big problem with the digital world. There are non-artists making art NFT's just using public domain images or just simple garbage images to make NFT's, or even just text images in an attempt to cash in on the gold rush. Right now NFT's are nothing but speculation, the question is whether it will mature into a real art market? I have my doubts.

 

Jason Fink

10 Days Ago

I look forward to it becoming more mainstream and more of a reality (digitally of course!). I can see a future where everyone has their own digital getaway where they can escape for a while. Kind of like reading a book or watching a movie. Just strap on a headset and your somewhere else for a while. Some place you can escape to, like a digital "cabin up in the mountains". It's just another medium and art work will certainly be part of that experience.

 

David Bridburg

10 Days Ago

This is all more mature than being given credit.

As far as value, there are movies that are incredible and those that are crap. The contract to show the movie guarantees royalties. NFTs do the same. There are endless copies of the movie given over to the movie theaters.

As an artist there is zero guarantee your art will be wanted at all if it is an NFT.

That is why I come back to you need to study the cultures involved.

 

Jason Fink

10 Days Ago

NFT's are very tricky. I feel like they have to have some extrinsic value for anyone to be interested in purchasing them. It's never really about the image itself.

 

Daniel Politte

10 Days Ago

Just to be clear, I am no expert on this subject but I did spend about a month researching the technology, the uses, it's perceived future, and anything else I could look into towards the end of last year.

In my mind, NFT's are more of niche product. It's kinda like a Gucci bag that you don't really use unless the occasion is right.

What I find the most interesting is the projects that actually hold merit. Blockchain and Defi technology will likely revolutionize the world. Projects like Ethereum, Solana, and others run blockchain which allow people to trade, purchase, transfer money, etc. all at a super low cost.

When you consider sending money to someone overseas, everyone and their brother gets their hands on the transfer and each takes their piece of the pie. When you consider blockchain which can be more of a user to user exchange through a single facilitator it will drastically reduce the cost and the carbon footprint.

Don't count this world out just yet. The idea and case studies (bitcoin) have been around for a while now. The process, programming and everything around it is just starting to pick up as more realize its potential value. The SEC will be making a ruling on XRP in the future which may give this whole thing a big boost. Other countries are requiring projects to produce whitepapers that are not miss leading or deceiving. As more legislation is developed and regulation is improved we could see the start of a drastic societal shift in the way everything operates.

 

Daniel Politte

10 Days Ago

I personally think we are just seeing the surface of what this technology can do. My prediction is that we 5-10yrs out from a massive change in how everything operates and how our lives will be completely changed.

Just consider the progress of the internet and smart phones in the past 20yrs, and now how much we are all now yoked to them.

 

Bill Tomsa

10 Days Ago

"It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future." Yogi Berra

 

Mario Carta

9 Days Ago

I missed out on the dot com, I have no plans on missing out on this new "digital revolution"

As for risk, ask any investor, the greater the risk=the greater the reward.

I'm not a gambler but have always been a risk taker, the only caveat is don't risk more than you can afford to loose. :-)

 

David Bridburg

9 Days Ago

Mario,

I get the feeling Warren Buffett would say positioning when things are opportune in places with much lower risk is a better idea.

 

Mario Carta

9 Days Ago

I sure am not in a position to dispute anything Warren Buffet would say. :-)

That said, for a small player like myself in the markets, I can't think of anything that could come close to the upside potential with what I see happening, as in the crypto market the metaverse and so on.

I remember totally dismissing it's potential not to long ago, now I think totally different about this. Considering that Countries around the world are starting to get in or considering getting in.

I'd be the first to say this is not for everyone. My first day in I lost $215 in the blinking of an eye due to hackers, I won't let that discourage me though. Bottom line is that it's very risky but by the same token it's growing faster than anything else in history and it has huge potential and I see change in it like never before.

 

Andrew Pacheco

9 Days Ago

Daniel,

Good points!

I think it's a pretty safe bet that blockchain technologies are going to revolutionize the way we move money and assets around. I have little doubt about that. We are all already getting used to the idea that our money and assets are just 0's and 1's at this point. The bulk of most peoples money is only ever seen in some kind of electronic ledger, and never actually held in the hand these days. I'm sure there are very few if any companies issuing actual stock certificates any longer. I believe that blockchain can make things better and more efficient for us all.

One thing that constantly annoys me about my banking and brokerage accounts, is that transfers and trades can only take place during certain business hours. No human even interacts with the clicks and keystrokes I make to move money and assets around...yet there are business hours. The 24/7 nature of how crypto is traded using the blockchain seems like the best thing about it to me.

At this point, my trepidation is with the things that are currently being traded on blockchain rather than the technology itself. Crypto currencies have come and gone, and I think it's safe to assume more will do the same. I still can't wrap my head around the thought that NFTs will hold any value once the fad dies down.

I also approach the idea that blockchain will somehow reduce the carbon footprint of anything. There are some who say it's doing just the opposite, and their points makes sense to me. Of course if all the computers involved were powered by alternative, renewable, clean energy it could...but that is far from the norm right now.

 

Bill Tomsa

9 Days Ago

"Behold the turtle, She never gets ahead unless she sticks her neck out" - author unkn.

 

Mario Carta

9 Days Ago

Interesting that today reports indicate that GAMESTOP is planning entering the metaverse and it's stock price is up when 2/3 of all other stocks are down and bearish.

The writing is on the wall I think.

Like Andrew, I have a hard time wrapping my head around NTF's. The blockchain though seems more reasonable to me.

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Lisa Kaiser

9 Days Ago

I have a person or two who use my art as an investment in NFT's. I will observe if they get rich or not.

 

David Bridburg

2 Days Ago

Aprilynne is an explorer looking into this. She sours later in videos on the older fashioned artist minting NFTs. You can see exactly what her journey is on her channel. It is useful if not simpler and possibly making the occasional mistake, She does her best.

 

Don Northup

2 Days Ago

Coin Bureau is one of the more honest crypto channels on YT…also the largest.

FYI…

https://m.dpreview.com/news/6596696247/associated-press-to-launch-nft-photography-marketplace

 

Mario Carta

1 Day Ago

Glad to see this discussion is still going.

I'm working on my first collection on Opensea as I speak,

Minted the first in the collection. Next I want to sell it.

Here is the link, I am posting it because I want to see where it takes me looks like. That's a lot of numbers
https://opensea.io/assets/matic/0x2953399124f0cbb46d2cbacd8a89cf0599974963/93111319788936008420270126184696530746173648618725582341234905531250473172993/

 

Mario Carta

1 Day Ago

Finally, it took me several hours to figure out how to get my first listing done, at first it seemed rather overwhelming but as I went along and stopped trying to overthink the process it went pretty smooth.

Here is my first listing that is actually for sale, it did not cost me anything upfront, nope not a penny. I used metamask wallet and listed on the polygon blockchain.

https://opensea.io/assets/matic/0x2953399124f0cbb46d2cbacd8a89cf0599974963/93111319788936008420270126184696530746173648618725582341234905531250473172993/

 

David Bridburg

1 Day Ago

Mario,

One of things Aprilynne got into in her video was when to put things for sale on Opensea.

Turns out you can list things and not offer them for sale for a while. Then using SM you can get people to visit if they are interested and like things if they like it. As interest builds up then hot off the press you let people know they are for sale. Plus they can visit and get notified when it goes on sale.

This all presumes a buzz.

Just listing things is not marketing them.

The abstract you listed is excellent. It is also very 1960 and would have made you money with the right marketing at that time. It truly is very good.

My compliment particularly goes to the 3 nature of it. If it sells it is that which sold it. JMO

Do not be surprised if it does not sell. It has little to do with the digital art culture in the NFT space.

If it sells I will be the first to gladly eat my hat.

 

David Bridburg

1 Day Ago

Mario,

In my Blender studies which are 3D modeling, where the camera is placed creates the 3D effect. Closer in gives it a 3D perspective. Far out causes a flat perspective.

This is critical to me in my animation.

It is totally non critical to many artists in the crypto space.....to a degree. Their work generally is not completely flat. For their works this is synthetic because the portraits are closer in.

Specifically synthetic as it is not the camera perspective.

That is just trending somewhat now. The issue is gaining the marketing buzz now and selling now. The more they sell the more the next one produced by the artist can sell. The more they sit the riskier it is they sell for less money. There are though several Cinderella stories where long sitting art becomes popular. That is not my goal this time. I am not interested in fitting that narrative of the struggling artist who is discovered after his death.

 

Mario Carta

1 Day Ago

Thank you David for checking it and for the insights!

I did watch Aprilynnes's video put only after I minted and put it for sale. I watched several other how to videos prior to but for me I find it difficult to follow along, I'm much more visual in this type learning environment.

Diving in head first and going thru the input fields and seeing what the options were and actually typing the fields in is what brought together for me.

You are correct David I agree that my work has little to do with the cultural aspects of the digital world there. I'm hoping maybe that might be my distinguishing appeal, big question mark?

Now if that piece sells, I will gladly pass the salt and pepper. :-)

There is so much there to try and wrap my 1960's brain it's not funny. I don't get the apes thing but I will try with my anthropomorphic ants.

As far as marketing, I'm thinking of taking all my print art on my pixel site and making it NOT FOR SALE here but having it as a mirror gallery collection to the NFT collections also linking the url as they allow external urls.

Marketing, well for now sharing on twitter, instagram and facebook since they have share buttons.

Of course I'm just thinking off the top of my head at this point and this will evolve or not. Hoping for the best as with my crypto investments.

Oh, and the pricing at 3, well I heard that some investor buy as tax shelters or tax write off's so I did not want to miss out on that, that might be my most distinguishing aspect, nothing will be made available cheap.

 

Mario Carta

1 Day Ago

I have done it.

I have edited my entire gallery here and removed all prices. All my art work has now been put to the test of Scarcity Value and Rarity Value, this is where I see the value of NFT and presenting my art in this new digital era.

I still need to further cull my Gallery but one thing at a time.

 

David Bridburg

1 Day Ago

Mario,

Some of the top artists in the world making oil paintings or sculptures as one off sell prints and replicas. Further license others to make their work as well. The one offs remain valuable and even gain value if the public wants their reproductions.

An NFT is the scarcity in the first place. It is called digital scarcity created on the blockchain with NFT contract.

 

Mario Carta

1 Day Ago

David I get that, I think, but since I have not sold but 1 tiny item here as a print in ten years I am not giving up anything.

Of course I really have not marketed myself well at all in all fairness to faa and myself or rather I have not put forth the effort except in a sporadic way on occasion in marketing prints.

My original art was another story and I'm very fortunate to have started off selling from the start, now that also has bored me in pursuing.

The appeal of this to me is that it's totally different and very challenging for me.

So for the present time, the only art of mine that can be purchased is what is digitally created and minted by me as NFT or if someone happens to come around my home I might part with an original sculpture or painting for the right price, maybe. :-)

I do not pretend to know what I'm doing or if it will produce anything at all but there is an unexplained appeal about this whole movement.

Then there is my pig headed stubborn nature which won't allow me to do otherwise. :-)

 

Mario Carta

1 Day Ago

@David, how would I go about listing a digital painting NFT and also go about offering the Real World actual 3D sculpture for (free) to the same buyer on the platform?

They would get the digital work and also an original sculpture which gave rise to the digital work.

Maybe in the description of the item?

Just a crazy idea.

 

David Bridburg

1 Day Ago

If you take an interesting photo, lighting etc, of the sculpture or you create a very good video short you can mint that. I think you have up to 40 MB for a short.

I wont get further into your creative process.

Except to say start surfing OpenSea and others to examine the art.

 

Mario Carta

1 Day Ago

Thanks David, I have been exploring, especially the really outrageously expensive " Art" NFT's that have sold and it leaves me shaking my head.

 

David Bridburg

19 Hours Ago

Mario,

There are several sites with the cards like bord ape.

Go to Superrare to see one offs that are often expensive. You will get a better idea of what people are doing mostly without AI like bored apes.

The idea being to glean ideas about how digital artists use the tools.

I am not doing any of the directly. I am doing very much my own thing. But the feels for this art is part of a group of cultures.

I am using very few ideas from this profile on here and no old masters.

 

Mario Carta

18 Hours Ago

I will check it out David, in all honesty the majority of the art I have seen so far I just cannot take serious, the interest for me is more in the exclusivity aspect of the art, but super heroes and little pixelized cartoon images I just don't get. I've seen amazing digital Art else where.

Some are just turning any old thing into an NFT, I think, a hunch only that it's going to be a very low, low percentage of listing that actually sell.

I can certainly understand why you are going to do your own thing, I am curious to see what you come up with. I feel pretty much the same way about doing my own thing.

I'm up to 3 collections so far with a total of 8 art works all are for sale. Sharing via twitter and Facebook for now. I'm really not interested in the trading aspect of the platform. I'm just doing 1 item available no multiples at all. I'm setting the listing time for 1 month.

I've set royalties for my works at the max 10%, once you set a base floor price on the first item in the collection for additional collection items they have to be equal or larger amount but not less.

I saw a bunch of listings for like 5,000. eth, that's kind of insane, but what do I know? Time to take a break, I'm spent. :-)

 

Yuri Tomashevi

16 Hours Ago

FYI - "The report states that each Bitcoin transaction consumes 1,173 kilowatt-hours of electricity. That's the volume of energy that could "power the typical American home for six weeks," the authors add. The Bitcoin mining that enables a purchase, sale, or transfer, it posits, uses a slug of electricity that costs $176." (https://fortune.com/2021/10/26/bitcoin-electricity-consumption-carbon-footprin/)

"The process of creating Bitcoin to spend or trade consumes around 91 terawatt-hours of electricity annually, more than is used by Finland, a nation of about 5.5 million." (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/09/03/climate/bitcoin-carbon-footprint-electricity.html).

Environments already sound the alarm. If cryptocurrency transactions rise sharply, there will be a global fight against a high volume of cryptocurrency transactions. Nobody knows how it will turn out.

 

David Bridburg

9 Hours Ago

Yuri,

The US treasury uses similar energy to put the USD into circulation and then burn the bill when it is taken out of circulation. BTC will be in circulation much much longer. The secondary transactions are much lower cost. Credit card transactions are over 100% higher fees. Meaning work consumed by human beings to afford credit cards are more polluting as well.

This is like the sugar v sugar substitute debates. Each pointing the finger at the other as dangerous in order to get market share.

 

Don Northup

9 Hours Ago

Not all crypto is proof of work like BTC. Many crypto projects are proof of stake which requires exponentially less energy.

Cheers

 

Don Northup

9 Hours Ago

Example of a crypto that is on the other end of the consumption scale.

Most cryptos are designed differently from BTC and a great number of them consume far, far, far less energy per transaction.

0.000112 kWh

That’s what each Nano (XNO) transaction consumes.

Metaverse projects are NOT based on BTC nor do they use BTC. They are built with digital assets that are more suited or specifically designed for the purpose. (AXS, SAND, ENJ, MANA etc.) and same thing for gamefi with projects like GALA.

Cheers

 

Don Northup

8 Hours Ago

Many don’t realize how many sectors crypto/blockchain is being adopted into.

https://www.coingecko.com/en

Click coins and then all categories snd then scroll through a very long list to see for yourself.

Cheers

 

David Bridburg

8 Hours Ago

I saw some sort of chart and I really should have dove into it.

Basically as a percentage of energy to create Crypto...not sure BTC or Eth....Alternative energy used in the mining is a greater percentage than the percentage used in Germany's overall economy as the leading major nation in adopting alternative energy.

 

David Bridburg

8 Hours Ago

Don,

I am waiting on one wire from Amazon due in today at my door. The wire is a female 8 pin atx to a male 4 pin for my CPU power supply.

I have the monitor to unpack, the 6600 xt which is larger than life, the external PSU with a wire to bring the 24 pin down to 6 pin and 32 GB high performance RAM. The tower is open hearted on my dining room table waiting to be rewired tonight.

All the specs are right.

The moment of truth.

 

Mario Carta

7 Hours Ago

Good morning, well I'm not feeling at all guilty about the global foot print and mining concerns. There are numerous alternative coins that are focusing on this and I'm betting that the wizards will figure it all out.

In the mean time I'm investing my two cents on Cardano, Stellar, and several others and there are hundreds no, thousand others that have an interest and ability to solve this problem.

David, sounds like a space ship of a computer you got there, happy blast off! :-)

When I'm uncertain of something I'm asking Don. :-)

Back to minting some more NFT of my art work, no monkey business art though. Well maybe just one big Ape:

Buy Art Online

 
 

Mario Carta

3 Hours Ago

Hmmm, I will take that as good news. They can't possibly expect to compete with artist or can they?

I will just continue to do my own thing, I'm minting all my work on the metaverse, if anything I will have created a permanent digital file for it. My originals just don't keep well. :-)

We beat walmart to the game. Hahaha!

 

Rafael Salazar

3 Hours Ago

Mario I went ahead and Twitted your OpenSea site.
Wish you all the 🍀 and Success.
I support You and Follow you Amigo!

 

Mario Carta

3 Hours Ago

Wow! Thank you very much Rafael I really appreciate that!

 

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