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Barbie Corbett-Newmin

2 Days Ago

Brevity Fyi

As administrator of The 200 Club, I was happy to get an appreciative note from a member/ fellow group leader:
Thanks for your brief and concise emails. I have been so overwhelmed by some other group emails where they send long and involved emails on a weekly basis too often.......it's as though we the members haven't got anything better to do! I'm starting to just delete these kind of emails without reading them.....I just don't have the time or inclination.

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Lisa Kaiser

2 Days Ago

And your point is? I agree with you that verbosity has annoyed me too, but to each her own. You can choose to not join, don't you know?

 

Mike Savad

2 Days Ago

Ironically you posted this note in the forum?

Its good if you get to the point. I know of a lot of group leaders that end up giving us a family update of everyone's health, and its pages long. That said I never once looked at a group mail, I remove all of them before I open them. I never saw the point of mailing or updating anyone for a group. A group is just a box to store images.


----Mike Savad

 

John Twynam

2 Days Ago

I agree on the length of some of these emails, but I just scan then to find the pieces of info I want. I don't see anything wrong with long emails in general as long as they contain pertinent information, but if they're long and contain lots of stuff I don't need to know or care about, they annoy me.

At work, I often send long emails because I put in every piece of info that the person either asked for or needs to know based on the situation. I expect people to read them, and only come back to me if they have other questions that I haven't yet answered. I do quite often get a response back with another question... but the answer to that question was in my original response. So by them coming back to me again, they're not only wasting my time by making me answer the same question twice, they're also slowing down the resolution to whatever the issue is. THAT'S what I find annoying.

The point is that both brevity and verbosity have their places.

 

Lisa Kaiser

2 Days Ago

Very true John. I often read long emails and enjoy them as well as the images. I've bought more from groups and threads than on internet browsing.

 

Bill Tomsa

2 Days Ago

Good for you Barbie . I agree

 

Roger Swezey

2 Days Ago

When I see a single spaced, big, gray block of type, whether on an e-mail or here on this forum, I know it will be a challenge to get through...

So, I often just skip it.

 

Richard Reeve

2 Days Ago

It fascinates me that people cannot read more than 2 paragraphs of text anymore. I guess that's why we need lawyers :D

 

Roger Swezey

2 Days Ago

For the life of me, I don't understand, that by now, we don't have every other line of type,

enil txen eht rof ,tfel eht ot kcab pmuj ylsuounitnoc ot evah t'nseod eno ,oS..egami rorrim

 

John Twynam

2 Days Ago

Richard, I agree. In many SM posts, I'm seeing things that say "2 min read" right in the post. And I've seen some news pages that just post videos - I don't want to watch a video, I'd rather read an article, but they don't include an article. I'll just skip those ones, and if it was something that I really wanted to know about, I'll Google the headline and fine a different site that has an article.

 

Happily, I run a group of women who LOVE getting the Sunday group email updates with special quote! If I didn't send it out, our weekly 'Up Close & Personal' featured artist each week would not get nearly the outpouring of love & attention they do. I also send out a super short mid-weekly if needs be.

If you have a 'Top 10 Highly Active' group, it's essential to let members know the latest. And the easiest way to do that is to send out a clear concise group email, may be lengthy, may not be. But, no one 'has' to read it.

Some administrators send out an emails every time they post NEW features email AND a group update each week, which is too much. But, a once-a-week-on-the-same-day email is a good practice. Members come to expect it...and appreciate an administrator who is engaged & attentive.

I'd rather uplift administrators than criticize them. There is enough negativity.

~Brooks
https://fineartamerica.com/groups/a-womans-touch.html

 

Jessica Jenney

2 Days Ago

We are all different. For myself when I see a long post or email, or long instructions on how to do something, I feel overwhelmed and delete.

 

Barbara Lemley

2 Days Ago

Interesting 'discussion'.
Suggestion: Keep your answers very short and maybe they will get the hint instead
of typing out a long post letting others know how irritated you are because people
might find you interesting enough to take the time to send you a note.
JMHO. Have a fabulous and email-less weekend, my friend.

 

Alison Frank

2 Days Ago

Sometimes I get the same email 2 or 3 times. Can't figure out why. Anyway, in the grand scheme of things, it's really not a big deal.

 

Barbara Lemley

2 Days Ago

Brooks.
I enjoyed your post, thank you for the information. I like the "add a link" idea. In fact, I went to your link and very much enjoyed that page. I joined.
Altho I've been a member of FAA for a long time, I've never actually had time to scroll around to find a message board. I didn't know there Were messages boards so basically I'm new in this area. I will start adding links when I find the groups I would enjoy. I would love to get your Sunday group email updates.

~Barbara
https://fineartamerica.com/groups/a-womans-touch.html

 

Chuck De La Rosa

2 Days Ago

It fascinates me that people cannot read more than 2 paragraphs of text anymore.

The issue for most people isn't reading just 2 paragraphs. It's the information overload of dozens and dozens of paragraphs. 2 paragraphs each in 3 or 4 emails on FAA (or more...). 2 paragraphs in 30 personal emails. Relevant news stories that you really want to read. Other information that you find interesting or that you need to consume for various reasons. And the list goes on. Every. Single. Day.

It becomes overwhelming. So one has to make choices or go batty trying to keep up with it all.

 

Joy McKenzie

2 Days Ago

Brooks, you sent out emails on Jan. 2, 4, 9 (2 of the same), and 12. We don't just get one Sunday email.

 

VIVA Anderson

2 Days Ago

no/comment

 

Shelli Fitzpatrick

2 Days Ago

I open them all and skim them for what is interesting to me... like if they are reminding me to vote or about a feature I recieved. I don't mind getting them. I will look at them when I have time. I have enough things to be upset about but this isn't one of them.

It is like with my phone. I will answer it if I feel like it...

 

I send out a single group email every Sunday, Joy, and sometimes a mid-weekly reminder that is SUPER short. I am very aware of not sending out too many group emails...and who has the time!? The limit allowed is 4 via the 'Group Administrators Only' group.

Maybe you are confusing group updates with receiving a contest voting notice? If you enter any of my MANY contests, you will get a time-to-vote email. But that's very short. A group update is different than a contest email. You can't please everyone, so just don't read them if it's a bother.

Barbie is posting about lengthy group emails, though, not quantity. If you got a 2nd email last Sunday, it was not on purpose. The site was undergoing maintenance just as I sent it, so it may have gotten sent twice by mistake. I don't know 'why' this is such a big deal to you.

No comment might be a good thing, Viva! Lol.

Thank YOU, Barbara! I look forward to seeing you in 'A Woman's Touch'!!

 

Roger Swezey

2 Days Ago

With me, It's not the verbosity, it's the density of type.

I've always have difficulty reading, jumping back for each line is particularly daunting

So my solution:

mirror-image-cropped-fnal.png

Learning mirror image type shouldn't be too difficult to learn

 

Richard Reeve

2 Days Ago

The mirror writing is an interesting idea, Roger, although perhaps line spacing is maybe more important?

I work with lots of data in spreadsheets and listings and I find it useful for each line to be alternately shaded to enable me to jump about without losing my place.

 

Joy McKenzie

1 Day Ago

Just let me know where I can send you a screenshot, Brooks. Thanks.

 

This thread is about administrators sending lengthy group email updates, Joy, not the number of. If you are getting more than a Sunday email from 'A Woman's Touch' and [maybe] a very brief mid-weekly reminder on Wednesday, then I don't know what to tell you. Like I said, an administrator is allowed to send up to 4 emails a week, but I can't imagine doing that.

Last Sunday, the site was having issues & crashed when I was in the middle of sending the group update, so it may have gotten sent twice by mistake. I also sent a brief mid-weekly on the 12th. Again, one email on the 9th & one email on the 12th.

Sorry, Joy, don't know why you are seeing anything different than what I have on my sent emails. My best advice...just don't read any email you don't want to read.

~B

 

Roger Swezey

1 Day Ago

Richard,

As I imagine, once everyone is comfortable reading mirror image type,...they will be equally comfortable reading mirror image writing,...Giving left-handers a new way of writing (In fact an old way)....writing right to left.

Thus, instead of pushing the pen, or distorting their bodies to write, they can pull the pen as right-handers do,...or as da Vinci did

 

Rudi Prott

1 Day Ago

I can remember a former teacher and his most used phrase:
"Come to the point!". Mostly he was absolutely right.

 

Don Henry

1 Day Ago

"Why is the word, 'abbreviation', so long?" George Carlin, comedian.

 

Alison Frank

1 Day Ago

I decided to adjust my settings so that I don't get an email notification about FAA emails. I log in here several times a day so I doubt I'll miss anything. So far, it's been a relief on my personal email...all quiet on the western front. Ah.

 

I'm with Lisa! You do not have to read any email you don't want to, but I like the idea of scanning them for useful info. You can always adjust your settings like Alison says if you don't want to get any emails...or find them interesting or in any way important.

I know how much WORK administrators do, so I like to be respectful of their time & energy spent rallying their 'troops'.

I've got a thread currently making the rounds in support of group administrators & the hard work they do for others voluntarily = operative word. One successful administrator thinks threads critical of group administrators should be banned in the general discussions, just like political or religion. I agree.

If you want to comment in support group administrators, click on this thread link & add your encouraging words:
https://fineartamerica.com/showmessages.php?messageid=7132051

~B

 

Abbie Shores

13 Hours Ago

One successful administrator thinks threads critical of group administrators should be banned in the general discussions, just like political or religion. I agree.

Absolutely disagree

I disallowed politics and religion only because of death threats coming to people as a result of that kind of thread. Each disallowed subject in this forum has a very good reason behind it.

If there were death threats because a few admin had a criticism against them, there's something SERIOUSLY wrong. To be fair also, there are bad admin rarely, and people who create posts about them usually are set right about all the others pretty soon.

So I disagree, sorry.

 

Andrew Pacheco

8 Hours Ago

Barbie, it sounds like you already have a solution. Just don't read those wordy messages. Delete them and move on. That's exactly what I do.

You could also leave the groups that send out excessive wordy messages if they stress you out. Very simple.

 

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